"Crimea is gone. Ukraine must focus on peace, not territory."

[Estro Felino]

Putin said he fears it, or certainly dislikes it.
Unless you think Putin lied about it.

Four NATO countries surround St. Petersburg...
but nothing has ever happened to that city.

Tell me why he should fear the NATO.

Currently only 11% of Russia borders NATO countries. Increasing it I'd suspect is not something they want.

Not all NATO countries are alike. Turkey is a NATO country and they have a strategic closeness to Russia.

Again: the first step is to let Ukraine join the EU...and then we'll see.

 

[Estro Felino]

Most of countries whom don't follow USA in ME, and being against Israel, destroyed.

Next is Iran.

I am sure Israelis want peace and world peace, but it's obvious that there are élites that exploit Israel to sow hatred in the Arabic-speaking world.

 

[Godobeyer]

I know they seem to have different stories. What I see is suffering and death being brought onto civilians and even children. In every story there is always a written justification for war, invasion and such things. All of these stories intertwine into one story....for me. And I don't particularly like these stories. They are the worst kind of horror.

I understand.
Me blame more to the West about threaten Russia, by planting missiles next to borders. instead of make real peace.


I believe there is no reason for the West to be enemy to Russia.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Neither country is in the NATO.

Thanks for sharing, but why does this induce you to side with Putin's aggression?

 

[Godobeyer]

I am sure Israelis want peace and world peace, but it's obvious that there are élites that exploit Israel to sow hatred in the Arabic-speaking world.

I wish i believe that.
Israelis don't want peace, they want more piece of Palestinians/Arab lands.

No one can deal with a racist regime. Best example in Europe was Nazi germany.

We hate Israel because it's racist criminal regime, that's it.
I believe it's threaten to all human being.
If you can not believe i can enlight you in this.

 

[Estro Felino]

Thanks for sharing, but why does this induce you to side with Putin's aggression?

Neither country is member of an organization that promotes peace, so they used war to solve a territorial dispute.

I don't know whether you watched Carlson interview with Putin. Putin offered solutions. That made me side with him.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Neither country is member of an organization that promotes peace, so they used war to solve a territorial dispute.

Whitewashing Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "a territorial dispute" is sadly ignorant or intentionally dishonest. I don't find you to be ignorant.

 

[Debater Slayer]

After all... Ukraine is huge...too huge. UK or Italy are small small countries in comparison, so some territorial concessions are fine. They are still big.

Russia is even bigger, so perhaps the call to cede territory should be made to the occupying and invading party rather than Ukraine—especially since the Ukrainian territory Russia is holding was obtained via military aggression and sham "referendums."

I don't think it's a coincidence that Putin has been talking about "peace" after Trump's win; I suspect he expects to get away with keeping Ukrainian land and to have that approved by a Trump administration.

 

[Estro Felino]

I wish i believe that.
Israelis don't want peace, they want more piece of Palestinians/Arab lands.

No one can deal with a racist regime. Best example in Europe was Nazi germany.

We hate Israel because it's racist criminal regime, that's it.
I believe it's threaten to all human being.
If you can not believe i can enlight you in this.

I think there is an evil that is greater than cultures and religion.

It's a capitalism that destroys nations. It's an evil financial and banking capitalism.
I am a socialist and I believe in real socialism. The one also Gaddafi promoted. And I am sure that horrific élites defamed and then paid people to murder Gaddafi.

Gaddafi dreamed of a better Africa.
Gaddafi's death gave me the proof that such people are godless.

 

[Estro Felino]

Whitewashing Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "a territorial dispute" is sadly ignorant or intentionally dishonest. I don't find you to be ignorant.

My country consider war an instrument to repudiate and repel, by constitution, so it would have never done it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russia is even bigger, so perhaps the call to cede territory should be made to the occupying and invading party rather than Ukraine—especially since the Ukrainian territory Russia is holding was obtained via military aggression and sham "referendums."

I don't think it's a coincidence that Putin has been talking about "peace" after Trump's win; I suspect he expects to get away with keeping Ukrainian land and to have that approved by a Trump administration.

World peace is more important.

 

[Debater Slayer]

World peace is more important.

What prevents peace from being achieved by aiding Ukraine until it repels the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukrainian territory?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Trump is a savior. The savior of Europe.

I think he's saving more than just Europe.

As soon as Trump won, it was like a switch was flipped, a page was turned. I never seen anything like it. The war prepping people are in disarray. Hezbollah bombed some place with "Trump" in it's name, but the rest are scrambling in a rush to call off aggression.

Hezbollah, in order to congratulate the new American president, bombed Ramat Trump a few minutes ago, in the occupied Golan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854091963701604636

But Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran and will do what Iran tells them. Iran is not going to attack Israel when Russia is in peace talks with Ukraine. And Iran is allied and supplied by Russia. Iran and Russia are strategic allies and form an axis in the Caucasus alongside Armenia. Iran and Russia are also military allies in the conflicts in Syria and Iraq and partners in Afghanistan and post-Soviet Central Asia. The Russian Federation is also the chief supplier of arms and weaponry to Iran.

Putin Open to Trump Talks on Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal
Bloomberg Daybreak: EuropeTV Shows
November 8th, 2024, 2:19 AM EST

Russian President Vladimir Putin has congratulated Donald Trump on his victory in the US election and says he’s ready to hold discussions with the new American leader who's pledged to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.

Meanwhile Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, speaking in Budapest on Thursday, called for “a fair ending to the war” and warned that a swift end to hostilities could force his country into a defeat. Bloomberg's Oliver Crook reports. (Source: Bloomberg)

www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-11-08/putin-open-to-trump-talks-on-russia-ukraine-peace-deal

Both Putin AND Zelensky are ready to talk. And it's happening now, even before Trump is in the White House. Just like Trump said how he would end the war. People on social media are giddy, and are celebrating peace and security. Check out the comments on some of these posts.

Putin just said, "WE ARE READY TO SPEAK TO TRUMP."

Trump promised to end the Russia-Ukraine territorial dispute before taking office, and it's happening.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854598236662906970

PEACE: Putin openly welcomes dialogue with Trump, recognizing Trump’s commitment to restoring US-Russia relations and addressing Ukraine’s crisis. This gesture signals a chance for renewed diplomacy and constructive cooperation. An honest discussion could pave the way for mutual progress

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854768981493625133

First the Houthis want a ceasefire and now Hamas. It's happening. The world is cheering for peace and safety and Trump hasn't even been President-elect for 24 hours. Maybe that was Biden's main job, to make the USA look weak. It caused the bad geopolitical actors to think they could act out. Now they're running to the exits. Lol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854357806242992556

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[Dave Watchman]

World peace is more important.

That's what it is. World peace. It's time for the wars, and rumours of wars, on all fronts to end.

Within days of Trump winning:

Hezbollah seeks peace talks
Russian seeks peace talks
Qatar expels Hamas leaders
China calls for “peaceful coexistence”

The leader of the free world is back and Power = Peace!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854946501505556931

The Houthis just announced that they're done fighting Israel, stopping their operations.

It has barely been hours and world peace is returning thanks to Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854121163162615880

#BREAKING: Hezbollah New Chief resigns minutes after Donald Trump wins US President Election

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854061900407226779

 

[Dave Watchman]

What prevents peace from being achieved by aiding Ukraine until it repels the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukrainian territory?

Could both sides be running out of men to put into the meat grinder?

Maybe Russia can borrow more men from North Korea?

Or maybe the USA is growing weary of sending multiple billion dollar aid packages to Ukraine.

"Since the war began, the U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with ongoing aid, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the “headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.​

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How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?

Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.

www.cfr.org

 

[Mock Turtle]

Whitewashing Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "a territorial dispute" is sadly ignorant or intentionally dishonest. I don't find you to be ignorant.

Certainly biased though!

 

[Estro Felino]

What prevents peace from being achieved by aiding Ukraine until it repels the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukrainian territory?

Peace is achieved through compromise. Not intransigence.

 

[George-ananda]

I hate to see evil (Putin) gain anything at all but perhaps this is the best compromise. I do think at this point Putin will be happy to end the conflict with some face.

Just a thought that perhaps Russia should be forced to provide financial support for ethnic Ukrainians in those disputed regions to move into Ukranian territory if they desire.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Peace is achieved through compromise. Not intransigence.

Perfect:

1. I invade and occupy your kitchen, at least temporarily leaving you the rest of your home.
2. Now, let's compromise on a solution.

You can message me your address when convenient.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I hate to see evil (Putin) gain anything at all but perhaps this is the best compromise.

And should he learn from that experience and seek to further expand his territory, what is your next proffered best compromise?