Criticism of Islam.

[stevecanuck]

I base it on how Christians during the Crusades likely thought along those same lines, whereas Muslims have that type of mindset today.

That's because verse 9:111 flat-out says so. The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation

Eventually over time this mindset could settle, once lessons are learned, like Christianity had leading to its more docile form we see today.

That's not how Islam works. The Qur'an exists to define Islam, and it can never be changed. We're in this soup for the foreseeable future.

 

[firedragon]

Another strawman. Yawn.

Yawn.

 

[firedragon]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that you never really engage. You either insult or deny. Then to top it off, you chide others about not employing scholarship. Kinda hypocritical, doncha think?

Cant engage with made up things. You see? And of course pretend scholarship from websites and pretend arabic expertise. Impossible to engage.

 

[firedragon]

Is strawmen and gratuitous denial all you have? Seems to be.



"Cherry picking" is always used as a last refuge of those who know they can't get away with denying that a verse exists, so they try to trivialize them instead. Nice try. Well, not really. You're quite transparent.



Aww, you're going to try to get away with pretending that the ع in Arabic has an English equivalent. Actually, corpus.quran.com transliterates the word as ʿaduwwun rather than Ado, or 'ado (the diacritical marks give the extra sounds). I've seen a few ways of representing ع in English. Using an upper case 'A' or even a '9' are a couple of them.



1. What's your point? You tried this nonsense before without ever getting to a point. You get ONE chance to explain why you ask.
2. If you use an عrabic keyboard and then paste it here, I'll give it a shot. My vocabulary might not be up to it.

So basically you are ignorant so you completely did a turn right? Aww. Cute.

Mate. Why are you talking about ain? You dont have a clue about arabic, so dont keep pretending. Ain is not there in that sentence I gave you. After pretending to be an arabic expert, reading transliteration and rendering them, since you cant read this and pretend again, you are talking about an irrelevant "Ain". Pathetic.

You have "No vocabulary". So dont pretend "your vocabulary might not be up to it".

Any child in grade one can understand that sentence. If you dont know, just say you dong know and ask "what does that mean". Simple.

 

[firedragon]

I'm not asking for irrelevant information.

Read that post fully.

 

[firedragon]

If you're quoting a verse, tell me which one so I can look at it. Nothing will be resolved until you do.

No. Its not a verse. Its a simple Fusha Atthuraath sentence.

 

[firedragon]

Please provide the verse numbers that say that.

Practice goodness against your enemy
Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better.
Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend. - Quran 41:34

Do not be arrogant or insolent
And do not turn your cheek arrogantly from people, nor shall you roam the earth
insolently. For God does not love the arrogant show off. - Quran 31:18

Humility and wisdom
And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the earth in humility and if the ignorant
speak to them, they say: ‘Peace. - Quran 25:63

Don’t insult those of other religions. Do not play God.
And do not insult those who call on other than God, lest they insult God out of
ignorance. And We have similarly adorned for every nation their works; then to their
Lord is their return and He will inform them of what they had done. - Quran 6:108

Do not mock others
O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people, for they may be better than
they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they.
Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name
of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the
transgressors.” - Quran 49:11

 

[stevecanuck]

Deflection. Strawman. Ad hominem.

Bye.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You have it right one way being a Muslim doesn't mean your just or your politics is not warped by Satan, but my experience, which can be wrong, is that people who oppose Mohammad (s) tend to have warped political views and lack sense of justice.

If you have never met a non-Muslim with a good sense of justice and compassion, then either you are so sheltered that ytou just haven't met a lot of non-muslims, or you are bigoted beyond words. I'm not really sure which.

 

[firedragon]

You have it right one way being a Muslim doesn't mean your just or your politics is not warped by Satan, but my experience, which can be wrong, is that people who oppose Mohammad (s) tend to have warped political views and lack sense of justice.

With all due respect brother Link, what you did above is the definition of bigotry.

 

[danieldemol]

My turn.

This thread title is meaningless because it has not specified which sect of Islam we are to critique.

And even if it did no resources to the total beliefs of the sect have been provided in English for us to critique, so we are left with little idea of what we are supposed to find fault with, which is itself the fault of the God who is alleged to have authored this religion we are supposed to be criticising.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

This thread title is meaningless because it has not specified which sect of Islam we are to critique.

Excellent critique. You win a prize.

 

[firedragon]

Although not all muslims accept this today, it has traditionally been accepted.

Haha. really?

Can you tell me the most traditional, the oldest school of thought, the school Medina, what did they say about this matter?

 

[Link]

If you have never met a non-Muslim with a good sense of justice and compassion, then either you are so sheltered that ytou just haven't met a lot of non-muslims, or you are bigoted beyond words. I'm not really sure which.

I live among non-Muslims. Most of my acquaintances and friends are non-Muslims. It's been my experience. Not saying you have to accept it, and I know it appears bigoted.

 

[Link]

My turn.

This thread title is meaningless because it has not specified which sect of Islam we are to critique.

And even if it did no resources to the total beliefs of the sect have been provided in English for us to critique, so we are left with little idea of what we are supposed to find fault with, which is itself the fault of the God who is alleged to have authored this religion we are supposed to be criticising.

In my opinion.

You are correct.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

My assertion is that the realities of the Middle East are deeply tied to the material consequences of colonialism and imperialism.

And I call bullocks on that one.

I see no causal link between "colonialism" and "imperialism" on the one hand and the brutal implementation of "shariah" on the other in these countries.

But I do see a causal link between fundamentalist islamic religious beliefs and such implementations.

You might be able to make a case that there is a link between colonialism / imperialism on the one hand, and being attracted to fundamentalist beliefs on the other, as some kind of "pushback" or whatever. But the beliefs are the beliefs. And they don't come from colonialism.

 

[Link]

And I call bullocks on that one.

I see no causal link between "colonialism" and "imperialism" on the one hand and the brutal implementation of "shariah" on the other in these countries.

But I do see a causal link between fundamentalist islamic religious beliefs and such implementations.

You might be able to make a case that there is a link between colonialism / imperialism on the one hand, and being attracted to fundamentalist beliefs on the other, as some kind of "pushback" or whatever. But the beliefs are the beliefs. And they don't come from colonialism.

Before colonialism, most Muslims were Sufis. Why did they support Wahabi Islam if not to create extremist and extreme interpretations?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Before colonialism, most Muslims were Sufis. Why did they support Wahabi Islam if not to create extremist and extreme interpretations?

Who's "they"?

And how does that contradict what I said?

Did colonists / imperialists "invent" the non-sufi sects?
Did they write and invent the shariah law we see implemented in these countries?

 

[Link]

Who's "they"?

And how does that contradict what I said?

Did colonists / imperialists "invent" the non-sufi sects?
Did they write and invent the shariah law we see implemented in these countries?

British supported Wahabism and were the reason many Sufis were killed in the region.

 

[Link]

Did they write and invent the shariah law we see implemented in these countries?

Yes they did. In reality, they did. And sought to corrupt through dictatorships any okay version of Islam (but okay I mean not true, but not as bad as Wahabism).

Saudi Arabia and the government that came to being through British funding obeyed who funded them in all respects, including killing of many many sufis in the region.

ISIS obeys the funding that goes back to Obama.