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CRT, unfalsifiable claims, and Kafka-traps

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
But please stop being Christopher Rufo's dupe.

How about addressing my questions and laying off the insults. if you've got a strong argument, you ought to be able to avoid such nonsense.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
@PureX, @Jayhawker Soule, @Stevicus, @The Hammer, @Orbit,

The article quotes directly from Robin DiAngelo's book: "White Fragility".

As I understand it, this book is extremely influential in the CRT world. So it would seem that you guys all disagree with DiAngelo?

Perhaps you're correct, but she's the one with the influential book...
White Fragility is influential in the world of legal studies? I didn't expect that.

It's apparently about the defensiveness of white people in the author's experiences of giving corporate seminars on diversity. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing that would have an impact among scholars looking at how systemic racism in the US legal system hurts minorities.

I'm not American so maybe I've missed something.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
How about addressing my questions and laying off the insults. if you've got a strong argument, you ought to be able to avoid such nonsense.

I most definitely addressed your points, but you ignored it, as per usual.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I most definitely addressed your points, but you ignored it, as per usual.
No, you asserted your points, which is fine, but ignored my questions. I guess 1 of 2 isn't too bad ;)

Let me try to steelman you here: You think the quote in the OP is not a central point of CRT, correct?
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
No, you asserted your points, which is fine, but ignored my questions. I guess 1 of 2 isn't too bad ;)

Let me try to steelman you here: You think the quote in the OP is not a central point of CRT, correct?

Thought about race in CRT is definitely more nuanced, as a whole, than that one sentence represents, yes. Can you find scholars who will say "Every white person is the result of, and exists in, a social system built by white people to their own ultimate advantage?" Yes.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
White Fragility is influential in the world of legal studies? I didn't expect that.

It's apparently about the defensiveness of white people in the author's experiences of giving corporate seminars on diversity. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing that would have an impact among scholars looking at how systemic racism in the US legal system hurts minorities.

I'm not American so maybe I've missed something.

Again, with the scholars. CRT is having a significant impact on politics. This isn't surprising. This is not a topic that will remain in a scholarly ivory tower, so it's time for the scholars to leave their tower and tell us what they really mean - if it's different than what DiAngelo is saying.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Again, with the scholars. CRT is having a significant impact on politics. This isn't surprising. This is not a topic that will remain in a scholarly ivory tower, so it's time for the scholars to leave their tower and tell us what they really mean - if it's different than what DiAngelo is saying.

It's a scholarly discourse, that the right is trying to weaponize. It deserves to be where it rightfully belongs: scholarly discourse.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
It's a scholarly discourse, that the right is trying to weaponize. It deserves to be where it rightfully belongs: scholarly discourse.

As soon as it's under consideration to be taught in public schools it leaves the scholar's ivory tower. And the public has every right to know EXACTLY what ideas will be in a CRT curriculum in a public school, correct?
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Again, with the scholars. CRT is having a significant impact on politics. This isn't surprising. This is not a topic that will remain in a scholarly ivory tower, so it's time for the scholars to leave their tower and tell us what they really mean - if it's different than what DiAngelo is saying.
Have you tried reading their work?
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
As soon as it's under consideration to be taught in public schools it leaves the scholar's ivory tower. And the public has every right to know EXACTLY what ideas will be in a CRT curriculum in a public school, correct?
CRT is a college level subject. It is not part of any K-12 curriculum.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
@PureX, @Jayhawker Soule, @Stevicus, @The Hammer, @Orbit,

The article quotes directly from Robin DiAngelo's book: "White Fragility".

As I understand it, this book is extremely influential in the CRT world. So it would seem that you guys all disagree with DiAngelo?

Perhaps you're correct, but she's the one with the influential book...
Richard Dawkins claims Kant was an atheist in the God Delusion. My jaw about hit the floor because that statement is bewildering, stupefying and just downright wrong.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
So, 37 posts in...

Did any of my critics read the article I linked to in the OP?
 
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