CRT, unfalsifiable claims, and Kafka-traps

[icehorse]

Intersectionality is a useful concept. I've used it in my teaching, and have published on it. Student complaints about the content taught: zero.

Can you summarize when it's useful? It strikes me that it can be useful from a statistical perspective but that it's often used from an individual perspective which gets us back to promoting story telling over evidence and reason.

 

[icehorse]

I don't think the originators of CRT would consider it CRT, no. Strictly speaking, it's a book about racism. Not everything to do with racism is CRT, though some concepts developed in CRT have become standard in discussions of race (like intersectionality).

Again, I'd argue about practice vs. theory.

CRT is in the news. If DiAngelo is getting it wrong, the academics do not seem to be setting the record straight.

 

[Orbit]

Again, I'd argue about practice vs. theory.

CRT is in the news. If DiAngelo is getting it wrong, the academics do not seem to be setting the record straight.

Gee, I'm here setting it straight, but you don't seem to care.

 

[icehorse]

Only if you have very abysmally poor comprehension abilities and somehow, and very inexplicably somehow got the idea that someone relaying information about something is an explicit endorsement of that information.
Can I ask why there is a small segment of RF dedicated to putting words in people's mouths amd insisting they said things they never said?

those concepts are in the wikipedia article you linked to...

 

[icehorse]

Gee, I'm here setting it straight, but you don't seem to care.

What absorb-able ideas are you providing? Saying the DiAngelo is wrong is not sufficient. If CRT is a net positive idea for society, you've got to sell it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm sorry but this sounds a little like distinctions without a difference?

Not so! If I hear you say "DiAngelo is a nut bar," then I am well-assured that you said it. If Stevicus reports, "Icehorse says DiAngelo is a nut bar," I am much less sure that you actually did so. All I have so far is hear-say.

 

[Orbit]

What absorb-able ideas are you providing? Saying the DiAngelo is wrong is not sufficient. If CRT is a net positive idea for society, you've got to sell it.

It's not my job to "sell" CRT. CRT is just one diverse body of theory in a marketplace of ideas. I'm not upset about CRT, nor should anyone else be. Stop listening to right wing hysterics and you'll be fine.

 

[icehorse]

Not so! If I hear you say "DiAngelo is a nut bar," then I am well-assured that you said it. If Stevicus reports, "Icehorse says DiAngelo is a nut bar," I am much less sure that you actually did so. All I have so far is hear-say.

Sorry for the confusion. I suggested doing a search on an exact phrase. But my point is that she has uttered many variations on that phrase with virtually identical meanings.

 

[icehorse]

It's not my job to "sell" CRT. CRT is just one diverse body of theory in a marketplace of ideas. I'm not upset about CRT, nor should anyone else be. Stop listening to right wing hysterics and you'll be fine.

I'm dealing with the reality on the ground. The CRT advocates are doing a monsterously poor job of explaining the ideas to the public. This isn't about me, it's about public perception.

And once again, these ideas have escaped from academia, the horse has left the barn, the bell cannot be unrung...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

those concepts are in the wikipedia article you linked to...

So? I cite from the Bible from time to time and a few occasions Mein Kampf. What of it?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Sorry for the confusion. I suggested doing a search on an exact phrase. But my point is that she has uttered many variations on that phrase with virtually identical meanings.

Be careful about that "virtually identical meaning" stuff. If, for example, she ever said, "it is very difficult, due to a lifetime of social indoctrination, not to notice when a person they meet is of another race," that is definitely NOT virtually identical. Noticing is not the same thing as "showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against," which is how racism is generally defined.

 

[Orbit]

I'm dealing with the reality on the ground. The CRT advocates are doing a monsterously poor job of explaining the ideas to the public. This isn't about me, it's about public perception.

And once again, these ideas have escaped from academia, the horse has left the barn, the bell cannot be unrung...

This is about a well orchestrated right wing political disinformation campaign that you've bought into.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The CRT advocates are doing a monsterously poor job of explaining the ideas to the public.

That's not their job.

This isn't about me, it's about public perception.

It's about how the public at large needs to learn media literacy amd how to evaluate information.
It's no different than trans stuff right now. RW media personality started mentioning it, because Conservatives, mostly Christian, have never liked sharing America with their fellow Americans, and their audience heard a few things, amd even though they can't tell ****s from dildos about the subject they think they know better than the experts.

And once again, these ideas have escaped from academia, the horse has left the barn, the bell cannot be unrung...

So? Laymen also misuse passive-aggressive, over estimate Frued's clinical usefulness, can't explain the nitty gritty of Relativity, and have no idea what God is Dead means.

 

[SomeRandom]

Sorry for the confusion. I suggested doing a search on an exact phrase. But my point is that she has uttered many variations on that phrase with virtually identical meanings.

*raises hand sheepishly*
I tried doing exactly that. Even included her name in my searches. The closest I got to an actual legitimate citation and not just blog discussions or news folks fighting about it was this

https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

I’m not American so I don’t really have a dog in this race. But I can’t seem to find any other legitimate sources to this claim.

 

[Orbit]

*raises hand sheepishly*
I tried doing exactly that. Even included her name in my searches. The closest I got to an actual legitimate citation and not just blog discussions or news folks fighting about it was this

https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

I’m not American so I don’t really have a dog in this race. But I can’t seem to find any other legitimate sources to this claim.

The "quote" is a sentence taken out of context, where the meaning is that we all participate in a social system that produces different outcomes for people based on their race. But anti-CRT hysterics can't be bothered with meaning, and don't seem to realize how they're being politically manipulated.

 

[SomeRandom]

The "quote" is a sentence taken out of context, where the meaning is that we all participate in a social system that produces different outcomes for people based on their race. But anti-CRT hysterics can't be bothered with meaning, and don't seem to realize how they're being politically manipulated.

Ahh, I see

I feel like I encountered this propaganda during the last of my “anti SJW” days.
I dunno, it sounds familiar

 

[icehorse]

This is about a well orchestrated right wing political disinformation campaign that you've bought into.

Stop worrying about me and worry about the millions of MAGA types who are being brain washed. (ffs)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Clarence THomas is the President of Dixieland the seceding court justices whom were cast out, but we will respect Clarence Thomas until the end. Because I never noticed anyone ever. YAAAAA . The Ol' YEBEL YELL.... YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAA THOMAS . Clarence Thomas not a Bill Clinton Justice he's a Republican GHW Bush Justice therefore an Abraham Lincoln Justice! The Ol' Rebel Yell!!! YEEEEEE

"I am my mama's darling boy".

 

[icehorse]

So? I cite from the Bible from time to time and a few occasions Mein Kampf. What of it?

Silly me! I thought than when you linked to that article, you agreed with it

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Silly me! I thought than when you linked to that article, you agreed with it

Yeah, that's not a wise assumption to ever make. It's why DVDs and such have that thingy saying the views expressed within aren't our own opinions and we don't endorse or share them.