Here's one for you. Am I wrong about the Jehovah's Witnesses? It's possble. I have been wrong before. Once, I think it was. Maybe twice.....
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Here's one for you. Am I wrong about the Jehovah's Witnesses? It's possble. I have been wrong before. Once, I think it was. Maybe twice.....
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I am merely looking for clarification.
You said you do not believe the AA to be a cult.
Is this based on how you define a cult, or how the person calling the AA a cult defines cult?
Which definition of cult are we going to use?
If we go by your definition, then they are a cult.
If we go by their definition....
Neither. I do not know AA.
By their definition they are not a cult. Their definition of cult requires a human leader. They believe Jesus leads them. They are taught that what the governing body tell them is what Jesus would tell them [if he could].
Do you know what these [ ] mean?
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I most commonly see and use them in internet code.
However, i suspect you are referring to their use in quotes to signify an outside opinion.
And by outside opinion I am meaning that the opinion is coming from someone other than the person who made the quote.
In the quote above you are using them to indicate that you are adding your opinion (the part in brackets) to what you claim are taught.
Right! They would never admit Jesus is not ABLE to lead them. He just doesn't. He needs the governing body to do it, apparently.
The [ ] were .... was? my commentary. The rest of the sentence is true I think. As far as I know it is their opinion except for the part in the brackets.
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McBell
Admiral Obvious
Then why do you not call AA a cult?
I do not have enough evidence. If your point is Government does not have enough evidence to act, I just don't believe it.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
How do you have that Jesus is not able to lead them?
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Fair enough.
I might go have a drink.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
The government has enough evidence to do what to whom?
I don't understand the question. How do I know Jesus is able to lead them? Or. How do I know they think Jesus is not able to lead them? Or. How do I know they are not being led by Jesus? There's probably more.
There is enough evidence of hurtful behavior coming from them that the Governments should address it without violence. I do not know how.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
With good reason.
I screwed up the question.
my apologies.
It should have read:
How do you know that Jesus is not able to lead them?
I do know if they can be persuaded to believe 1 Corinthians 15:33 means somehtinh entirely different, they might stop their hurtful behavior. They won't. If they won't stop teaching hurtful things in The Name of God, they will prove either God does not exist or they will prove that when God judges it won't be what pleases them. If enough people are not pleased by God's judgement discontent will spread to those not guilty of it.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
They believe the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are for leading them. If the people need a governing body to lead them it proves they can't be led by Jesus himslf. I do not believe it. That is why I left.
Because of their strong stance on avoiding dissent they have caused people to commit suicide for losing their family. That is the worst case. They have kept families apart so that a child may be born to a daughter but her mother and father will never see the baby. It happens alot.
It might not seem so bad to keep a grandchild from it's grandparents to some people. There are many people whose whole life revolves around family. My husband is like that. Everything he does is for his family. If I had done what I was suppose to have done which is inculcate "the truth" into my children and they had become JWs and married JWs and had JW children and then I woke up, I would not be able to see them any more. It is what the governing body teach. I have seen videos of them teaching it. My husband would have been devastated. Me too, of course (and it would have been my fault). Have you ever felt that your heart was being ripped apart? That is how many people feel because of their strong (and wrong, I believe) view of 1 Cor 15:33. If they are indeed wrong and they are teaching it is God's will and it isn't and if God is real with feelings, imaginbe how God must feel? Tortured. Governments do not care about the feelings of God.