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Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/aca-enrollment-now-at-8-million-obama-says-2014-04-17
ACA enrollment now at 8 million, Obama says.....
ACA enrollment now at 8 million, Obama says.....
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
esmith
Veteran Member
Hmmm, seems that there is conflicting data
Americans Remain Negative Toward Healthcare Law
Americans Remain Negative Toward Healthcare Law
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
You do realize your link is from April while the one I listed is from this month according to a few days ago.....additionally while people "might" be thinking negatively toward the law itself they sure do love the benefits the law brings...
According to the link I provided the young and the old are satisfied with their insurance on a whole. And while Dems overwhelmingly like their healthcare ...59% of Independents and 61% of Republicans favor theirs.....Many don't know or like to admit it but the benefits in the ACA is why people are enjoying their healthcare......considering the majority of the provisions were put into play four years ago....such as keeping your kids/young adults on your plan until 26, no lifetime caps, not being denied or kicked off because of pre-existing conditions, woman can't be charged more, can't be kicked off even if you lose your job, closing of the donut hole in Medicare Part D...and so much more. These provisions weren't in the healthcare system prior to the ACA...now that the law is here many have been benefitting for four years now. They're happy with their healthcare...disproving of the ACA but not realizing the benefits they're enjoying wouldn't be there without the ACA....
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files...wareness-lags-behind-favorability-polling.png
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A friend signed up for Obamacare, & discovered that his huge subsidy would disappear if he earned another $20K/year. As a building contractor in a recovering business, this effectively very high marginal tax rate creates a great incentive to do more off the books business (ie, untaxed cash). It always discourages tax compliance when earning a little more money "on the books" nets you almost nothing.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
A recent Pew poll has it that there's a 1% difference between those who approve of the ACA and those who disapprove. What is important is that the approval rate is gradually increasing and the disapproval rate is gradually shrinking.
What I hope Democrats do to Republicans is a persistent "put up or shut up" message whereas they have to actually take a position on what they would replace the ACA with. As we've seen in some other areas, the minute one of the Republicans puts up a proposal, they get shot down, including by others in their own party. An example is Rubio's immigration policy proposal that has turned out to be the kiss of death for him politically as far as 2016 is concerned.
One of the things also that the Democrats should be mentioning over and over again is that the medical-inflation rate is much lower than prior to the ACA being passed, although there's certainly no indication that it's going to remain that low. At the previous rate, which was slightly over 9% per year, our medical-inflation rate would have jumped up at least by over 30% since it was passed. People should keep that in mind even if the current rate jumps up this fall, which it very well might, but I'm afraid that many will not make the connection, and the Republicans certainly are not going to tell them that.
Another message the Democrats need to get across is that previous to the passage of the ACA, companies were dropping insurance coverage or significantly raising premiums and deductibles. We had a very serious developing problem, but the Republicans did literally nothing to try and deal with it other than Medicare Plan D, which they refused to pay for by throwing it onto the deficit.
It's important for those in the middle-income brackets to understand that the Republicans are really not their friends, and this isn't the only area where that's true. The Democrats need to strongly get this message out, but in an intelligent manner.
What I hope Democrats do to Republicans is a persistent "put up or shut up" message whereas they have to actually take a position on what they would replace the ACA with. As we've seen in some other areas, the minute one of the Republicans puts up a proposal, they get shot down, including by others in their own party. An example is Rubio's immigration policy proposal that has turned out to be the kiss of death for him politically as far as 2016 is concerned.
One of the things also that the Democrats should be mentioning over and over again is that the medical-inflation rate is much lower than prior to the ACA being passed, although there's certainly no indication that it's going to remain that low. At the previous rate, which was slightly over 9% per year, our medical-inflation rate would have jumped up at least by over 30% since it was passed. People should keep that in mind even if the current rate jumps up this fall, which it very well might, but I'm afraid that many will not make the connection, and the Republicans certainly are not going to tell them that.
Another message the Democrats need to get across is that previous to the passage of the ACA, companies were dropping insurance coverage or significantly raising premiums and deductibles. We had a very serious developing problem, but the Republicans did literally nothing to try and deal with it other than Medicare Plan D, which they refused to pay for by throwing it onto the deficit.
It's important for those in the middle-income brackets to understand that the Republicans are really not their friends, and this isn't the only area where that's true. The Democrats need to strongly get this message out, but in an intelligent manner.
esmith
Veteran Member
Do you know what month this is? Obviously not. The date on the article was April 11,2014; the date on your article was March 17, 2014. Today is APRIL 18, 2014. Seems that the article I link got you so riled up that you stopped thinking rationally
Yes people just love free-stuff. This is the only reason the Democrats still have the oval office and the Senate. If they started acting fiscally responsible they would start to see their support from the, (and I use this word cautiously) freeloaders diminishing.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Wasn't their some talk about rationing of health care some time back? Seems that the Obama administration and those that support him said the idea was ridiculous. Well maybe that issue should be revisited in light of the following:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/b...t-could-influence-doctors-advice.html?hp&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/b...t-could-influence-doctors-advice.html?hp&_r=0
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Is this the best you got.. We're talking about the 8 million that has signed up for private plans and a third of them are the young and invincibles.......Many believe because they are taxpayers that have signed up for these private plans that they deserve the subsidies if they qualify. At least that was the response I got from Revoltingist and a few of my co-workers talking about the subsidies.
And don't mention freeloaders unless you're going to add Cliven Bundy to the list (see I can shift the conversation too).....
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's rather funny that someone mentioned the issue of being fiscally responsible apparently totally unaware of the fact that the only president that has done that in the last half-century was a Democrat. And apparently someone somehow believes that the ACA is a hand-out when it is anything but that.
But what really irks me is that some here feel their political agenda is far more important than the health and well-being of our fellow Americans. And yet some of these same people strut around referring themselves to be "true patriots". Anyhow DP, keep up the good work as I no longer have anything to do with these people.
esmith
Veteran Member
Do you know what month this is? Obviously not. The date on the article was April 11,2014; the date on your article was March 17, 2014. Today is APRIL 18, 2014. Seems that the article I link got you so riled up that you stopped thinking rationally
Yes people just love free-stuff. This is the only reason the Democrats still have the oval office and the Senate. If they started acting fiscally responsible they would start to see their support from the, (and I use this word cautiously) freeloaders diminishing.
Jumping to conclusions again I see. Did I mention Obamacare in the above post? Answer: No. You feeling guilty or something?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I was talking about the ACA and how it has benefitted everyone with healthcare (i.e the newly 8 million enrollees as well as the majority that have private plans or plans through their employer as well as those on Medicare).....You responded and said ("Yes people just love free-stuff")...since my original response was in reference to healthcare may be you can clarify what you meant by that......
esmith
Veteran Member
Well, first Obamacare has nothing to do with Medicare except reduction to seniors who are on the Medicare Advantage supplemental insurance. I think you were thinking about Medicaid. Just out of curiosity could you give your opinion why Obama delayed the employer mandate for certain employers until 2016 if this program is so good for everyone.
To your question about free-stuff....it is easier to provide you links to that.
America Has Become an Entitlement Society
Bill O'Reilly: How the entitlement society makes America weaker | Talking Points | The O'Reilly Factor | Fox News
[WATCH] Ashton Kutcher slams entitlement society, Hollywood machine | Red Alert Politics
Now I have to use those links because only the economic conservative sites will report it. As one of my favorite persons said "the majority of the media place yellow police tape around Obama and attempt to tell people "move along, nothing to see here".
tytlyf
Not Religious
Haha, low information sources as usual. Because if those clowns say it, it must be true! Got anyone with credibility? Everything else you said is brainwashing.Well, first Obamacare has nothing to do with Medicare except reduction to seniors who are on the Medicare Advantage supplemental insurance. I think you were thinking about Medicaid. Just out of curiosity could you give your opinion why Obama delayed the employer mandate for certain employers until 2016 if this program is so good for everyone.
To your question about free-stuff....it is easier to provide you links to that.
America Has Become an Entitlement Society
Bill O'Reilly: How the entitlement society makes America weaker | Talking Points | The O'Reilly Factor | Fox News
[WATCH] Ashton Kutcher slams entitlement society, Hollywood machine | Red Alert Politics
Now I have to use those links because only the economic conservative sites will report it. As one of my favorite persons said "the majority of the media place yellow police tape around Obama and attempt to tell people "move along, nothing to see here".
Grassroots organization? ahahha^^Koch puppet.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Ever think that it is you that has been listing to the wrong sources? Maybe the sources I am using are the only one that report what is actually going on. Your sources seem to be in bed with the aggressive progressive liberals in this country.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Uhuh, more of that 'everyone besides fox' is evil crap. An informed voter gets information from all sources. Just my experience with you here over the years tells me you don't fact check and research what you are told. It takes work to be informed.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Wrong as usual.
Nope. The ACA provisions benefits Medicaid and Medicare as well as standard insurance plans.
I agree with it the same way I agreed when bush extended the enrolment period for Medicare.