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Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Dirty Penguin said:
Wrong as usual.
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Correct, I was wrong. Obamacare changed certain parts of Medicare for the better. I was hasty in my comment as prior to Obamacare I was only entitled to a wellness check on first obtaining Medicare. I retract my statement.

Dirty Penguin said:
I agree with it the same way I agreed when bush extended the enrolment period for Medicare.
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Not asking if you agree or disagree with what he did. I was asking why do you think he delayed the mandate for certain employers.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
esmith said:
Correct, I was wrong. Obamacare changed certain parts of Medicare for the better. I was hasty in my comment as prior to Obamacare I was only entitled to a wellness check on first obtaining Medicare. I retract my statement.
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No problem.


Not asking if you agree or disagree with what he did. I was asking why do you think he delayed the mandate for certain employers.
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Businesses cheer employer mandate delay - Paige Winfield Cunningham - POLITICO.com
Business groups applauded the Obama administration Tuesday for giving them more time to comply with the health care law......

Restaurants and other employers had been heavily lobbying the administration to postpone the requirement to offer affordable health coverage, insisting that they need more time to weed through complicated regulations.

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Judith Thorman, a lobbyist for the International Franchise Association, said she’s glad the administration listened to the concerns of businesses. She said their members need more time to figure out how the law applies to them — and to get ready for it.

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esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Seems that there is a section within Obamacare that provides a 90-day grace period for people who have subsidized ObamaCare exchange plans and stopped paying their premium; However it also says that insurance companies are only liable for the first 30 days of the grace period. A person is still entitled to care for another 60 days. So, who pays for services during the remaining 60 days. Patients or medical providers?

additional information on this can be found at: (yeah I know it's Fox for the first link)
Nonpayment of ObamaCare premiums could cost doctors | Fox News

but if you don't care to at least look at it, both basically say exactly the same thing.
AMA issues new salvo on ACA
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
esmith said:
I do believe that you are a little to quick to attempt to not associate the problem with the ACA. If it wasn't for the ACA this would have not happened.
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Correction: If it wasn't for the private internet company putting together the Nevada exchange this wouldn't have happened.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
tytlyf said:
Correction: If it wasn't for the private internet company putting together the Nevada exchange this wouldn't have happened.
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And if it wasn't for Obamacare the private internet company would not have had to put the Nevada exchange in place. Gotcha:D
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
esmith said:
And if it wasn't for Obamacare the private internet company would not have had to put the Nevada exchange in place. Gotcha:D
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So everything is Obama's fault. I get it. I was just pointing out who was to blame. Not my fault you don't want people with pre-existing conditions to have health insurance options.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
tytlyf said:
So everything is Obama's fault. I get it. I was just pointing out who was to blame. Not my fault you don't want people with pre-existing conditions to have health insurance options.
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Danger Will Robinson Danger...redirect redirect redirect:p
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Dirty Penguin said:
So should we scrap Obamacare and go back to the way it was?
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When I asked esmith much the same a few weeks ago, he pretty much said he would, so apparently the life of over 40,000 Americans that were lost each year, according to both the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University studies, are totally meaningless to him. That's more than I could take from him, whereas his mindset is pretty much the same as the Marxists had when they also elevated their ideology over the lives of their own people. Hopefully some day he may reconsider.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
metis said:
When I asked esmith much the same a few weeks ago, he pretty much said he would, so apparently the life of over 40,000 Americans that were lost each year, according to both the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University studies, are totally meaningless to him. That's more than I could take from him, whereas his mindset is pretty much the same as the Marxists had when they also elevated their ideology over the lives of their own people. Hopefully some day he may reconsider.
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Would like to say that I do not remember saying that the ACA should be scraped, but heck I have the old folds disease CRS. However, I would scrap the ACA and redo it. Your obviously misguided assumption is that I find all aspects of what is in the ACA deplorable. There are numerous aspects of the law that I agree with, then on the other hand there are aspects that I disagree with. So, why do I say scrap it and start over. First there are nearly 20,000 pages in the law and as we all know when you get something that unwieldy it is hard to manage. Look how many times Obama has modified it up to now, I think it is around 27 times. If there are that many problems in the first few months how many more are going to surface? Second, there needs to be some additions to the law and once more and more changes are made the more confusing it becomes. Look at our tax code. The main purpose of the ACA was to provide all US citizens affordable health care. Well all of the results are not in yet; however, it is documented that premiums are going to go up for some and deductibles are also going up. One would have to be very naive to believe that if persons with serious medical conditions (per-existing conditions) are added to the insurance rolls that the cost of paying for these people is going to have to be paid for by everyone in the plan. No, I do not believe that this aspect should be scrapped. Just modified on how it is paid for; maybe equally across all insurance companies with some taxpayer subsidies Now it is reported that even with the ACA there are going to be millions of people in the US that will not have health care. So, basically the ACA has not lived up to its original purpose. So, lets take whats good in the ACA and rework it to be a viable plan that the majority of US citizens are willing to accept. The ACA was forced through, with some pay-offs, and when only one political party is in favor of it, it makes it hard to manage. Especially when Congressional changes to the law are not allowed to be taking up. This "I have a pen and a phone" crap doesn't work in a Constitutional Republic or at least it shouldn't. Democrats should remember the phrase "What goes around comes around".
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Well after spending millions of dollars of taxpayer's money it appears that Oregon will scrap their healthcare web site and go to the federal system. I guess when you let government bureaucrats design something it just doesn't work. Didn't the federal government have a problem like this? Also it looks like federal grants might have been, how should I say, misspent. Investigation forthcoming

Oregon panel recommends moving to federal health care exchange | Fox News
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
esmith said:
Well after spending millions of dollars of taxpayer's money it appears that Oregon will scrap their healthcare web site and go to the federal system. I guess when you let government bureaucrats design something it just doesn't work. Didn't the federal government have a problem like this? Also it looks like federal grants might have been, how should I say, misspent. Investigation forthcoming

Oregon panel recommends moving to federal health care exchange | Fox News
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The Oregon portal is run by Oracle. Where they had glitches from the beginning. Oregon is going to move from Oracle to the federal system to avoid more glitches and save money.
esmith said:
Well looks like Arkansas might be having some problems with their Medicaid program. But first: Enrollment in Arkansas Health Insurance Marketplace tops 40,000 | Arkansas Blog | Arkansas news, politics, opinion, restaurants, music, movies and art

Whoops

Not qualified for Medicaid, 40,000 enroll in state plans | NWAonline
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Good for them, they are getting a surge as well lately.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
metis said:
When I asked esmith much the same a few weeks ago, he pretty much said he would, so apparently the life of over 40,000 Americans that were lost each year, according to both the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University studies, are totally meaningless to him. That's more than I could take from him, whereas his mindset is pretty much the same as the Marxists had when they also elevated their ideology over the lives of their own people. Hopefully some day he may reconsider.
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Well if that's how he feels then we should scrap ALL of the government run/assisted healthcare systems we have...even the ones he benefits from...What do you think..?
 
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