Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

[esmith]

Ok, I looked. It's what I expected. Answer me this with detail.

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1.Buying individual health insurance in the exchanges is generally more expensive than it was before Obamacare, especially for young adults. In 11 states, 27–year–olds will see premiums double or more.
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2.Buying individual health insurance in the exchanges is generally more expensive than it was before Obamacare. In 13 states, 50–year–olds will see premiums rise by 50 percent or more.
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3.Buying individual health insurance in the exchanges is generally more expensive than it was before Obamacare. In 19 states, premiums for a family of four will increase by more than 10 percent.

What detail do you need? The facts are presented; However, it seems that you are either unwilling or unable to accept the facts as given. I have given you facts, either accept them or provide facts that dispute them.

 

[tytlyf]

What detail do you need? The facts are presented; However, it seems that you are either unwilling or unable to accept the facts as given. I have given you facts, either accept them or provide facts that dispute them.

The problem with your source is that a ton of information is left out. How much money do these people make a year? You just can't post a link without providing any information concerning what you are pointing out.
I'd like you to get some more information, until then, your source is misleading at best.

 

[metis]

The problem with your source is that a ton of information is left out. How much money do these people make a year? You just can't post a link without providing any information concerning what you are pointing out.
I'd like you to get some more information, until then, your source is misleading at best.

Any estimates on future costs are just that: estimates. Over and over again we've seen the right-wing media overestimate costs, even at this early point in time.

There's simply too many variables involved to accurately predict what to expect. So far, so good, as medical inflation has slowed from a tad over 9% per year to just over 1% per year. I'm pretty sure it will go up in the near future, but we have to remember that at the previous rate we would have already inflated at a very high rate.

But people like esmith constantly just cite cost factors, choosing to ignore that fact that millions of Americans now have insurance they didn't have before, and that number continues to grow. So, between their money and helping their fellow Americans who need help, they choose that their money is far more important.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Looking for complaints, Rick Scott instead finds praise for Obamacare - Sun Sentinel

Gov. Rick Scott visited a senior center Tuesday to warn about cuts he said Obamacare is forcing in a popular version of the Medicare health program and to collect their horror stories.

“I’m completely satisfied,” Harvey Eisen, 92, a West Boca resident, told Scott.

Ruthlyn Rubin, 66, of Boca Raton, told the governor that people who are too young for Medicare need the health coverage they get from Obamacare. If young people don’t have insurance, she said, everyone else ends up paying for their care when they get sick or injured and end up in the hospital.

Eventually, Rubin said, Obamacare will become more popular. “People were appalled at Social Security. They were appalled at Medicare when it came out. I think these major changes take some people aback. But I think we have to be careful not to just rely on the fact that we’re seniors and have an entitlement to certain things,” she said.

“We’re all just sitting here taking it for granted that because we have Medicare we don’t want to lose one part of it. That’s wrong to me. I think we have to spread it around. This is the United States of America. It’s not the United States of senior citizens,” Rubin said from her spot two seats away from the governor.

Sonia Azam, 73, of Coconut Creek, told Scott she found orthopedic surgeons weren’t taking Medicare anymore. Scott asked the group if others were finding physicians were opting out of Medicare, and the response was a chorus of “no”s.

The federal government pays more to cover each Medicare Advantage participant than for seniors under traditional Medicare. The government had planned a 1.9 percent cut in the next budget year, but the Washington Post reported this month that the decision was reversed, and payments will now increase an average of 0.4 percent.

Obamacare was generally popular. One woman said she liked it because her son, who was previously uninsurable because of heart problems, now has health coverage. “I don’t have any complaints,” she said.

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[esmith]

Well it seems that Colorado is scrambling to try and figure out how they are going finance their state exchange.
Colorado health care exchange faces financial challenges - The Denver Post

Are more states going to have problems.? I guess you could say yes, because the FBI is going to investigate Oregon and their fubar.

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/fbi_inspector_general_investig.html

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well it seems that Colorado is scrambling to try and figure out how they are going finance their state exchange.
Colorado health care exchange faces financial challenges - The Denver Post

Are more states going to have problems.? I guess you could say yes, because the FBI is going to investigate Oregon and their fubar.

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/05/fbi_inspector_general_investig.html

Single Payer (Medicare for all) is starting to look better and better everyday....

 

[factseeker88]

Well seems we have an ACA success thread but this grumpy ole man doesn't have any use for the law while others feel that it is the best thing since slice bread. So being the contrary ole fart that I am I am starting out with the "Bad".

North Dakota’s Largest Insurer Will Still Be Canceling Policies Thanks To Obamacare | Say Anything

UnitedHealthcare Medicare Advantage cuts doctors

Rogers: WH Won't Even Give Classified Briefings on HealthCare.Gov Security Problems | National Review Online

Report: Obama Admin Using Honor System to Pay Insurance Companies | Fox News Insider

Audit: Health care subsidies vulnerable to fraud - Times-Gazette | Ashland & Ashland County, Ohio

All of those things would have happened with no ACA,

As to how it all affects Obama 895 Democrat polls job approval rating was 77.5 percent, 18 percent disapproved. Both are the highest in 2nd term history.

Obama Job Approval - Democrats - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

 

[esmith]

All of those things would have happened with no ACA,

As to how it all affects Obama 895 Democrat polls job approval rating was 77.5 percent, 18 percent disapproved. Both are the highest in 2nd term history.

Obama Job Approval - Democrats - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

Excuse me. I do not see how a over a 50% disapproval rating and a around 42% approval rating is the 2nd highest in his 2nd term history. I will even use the Huntington post numbers

Obama Poll Watch -- April 2014*|*Chris Weigant

Now Gallup
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

 

[metis]

Does everyone here notice that those who want to completely eliminate the ACA do so only on monetary grounds? Apparently the lives and well-being of Americans aren't really important to them. So, how can these people who often call themselves "true patriots" while wrapping themselves with the flag really be as such when they are so unwilling to actually help their own fellow Americans in need?

The ACA is far from perfect, but I would hope that "true patriots" would actually accept the direction it goes in and then try to modify what needs to be modified to make it better. But since the ACA comes from this black, socialist, Marxist, Kenyan-born Muslem President, fat chance most Republicans are willing to do that.

 

[Revoltingest]

But since the ACA comes from this black, socialist, Marxist, Kenyan-born Muslem President, fat chance most Republicans are willing to do that.

Oh, boy....the race card again.

 

[esmith]

There is a article (see below) that big companies are contemplating dropping employees with high medical cost off the companies private health plans and onto the public exchanges. Now this move, if made, is the result of the ACA. I for one, as most of you do, think that mandating coverage of per-existing conditions is right. Now, the question is, what are your opinion about businesses that do this. My opinion on this is mixed and unsettled. On one hand I see the companies reason for doing this and also see that the employee that was dumped from the companies plan would still have medical coverage. Yet on the other hand I see a company looking at their bottom line and deciding that it comes before the employee. What would really bother me is if the employee was entitled to subsidies and therefor is dumping their employee on to the taxpayer and not doing the right think by their employees. As I said previously the jury is still out on the practice as far as I'm concerned.

Hold On to Your Health Care - The Daily Beast

 

[factseeker88]

Excuse me. I do not see how a over a 50% disapproval rating and a around 42% approval rating is the 2nd highest in his 2nd term history. I will even use the Huntington post numbers

Obama Poll Watch -- April 2014*|*Chris Weigant

Now Gallup
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

As you can see that's a Gallup poll which is known for it's Republican leaning. Chances are they didn't factor in the 895 Democrat polls.

 

[esmith]

As you can see that's a Gallup poll which is known for it's Republican leaning. Chances are they didn't factor in the 895 Democrat polls.

Hate to break your bubble there kiddo, but the chart was from the Huff Pollster. I do believe that the Huffington news site leans, how should I say...somewhere left of center.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

There is a article (see below) that big companies are contemplating dropping employees with high medical cost off the companies private health plans and onto the public exchanges. Now this move, if made, is the result of the ACA. I for one, as most of you do, think that mandating coverage of per-existing conditions is right. Now, the question is, what are your opinion about businesses that do this. My opinion on this is mixed and unsettled. On one hand I see the companies reason for doing this and also see that the employee that was dumped from the companies plan would still have medical coverage. Yet on the other hand I see a company looking at their bottom line and deciding that it comes before the employee. What would really bother me is if the employee was entitled to subsidies and therefor is dumping their employee on to the taxpayer and not doing the right think by their employees. As I said previously the jury is still out on the practice as far as I'm concerned.

Hold On to Your Health Care - The Daily Beast

But the employee IS a taxpayer...so what's the problem with the taxpayer being elible for the subsidy. I asked Revoltingist about this during the process of his (N0. 1) son getting healthcare through the exchange. Since his son is a taxpayer there's nothing wrong with getting the subsidy.... Do you disagree?

 

[factseeker88]

There is a article (see below) that big companies are contemplating dropping employees with high medical cost off the companies private health plans and onto the public exchanges. Now this move, if made, is the result of the ACA. I for one, as most of you do, think that mandating coverage of per-existing conditions is right. Now, the question is, what are your opinion about businesses that do this. My opinion on this is mixed and unsettled. On one hand I see the companies reason for doing this and also see that the employee that was dumped from the companies plan would still have medical coverage. Yet on the other hand I see a company looking at their bottom line and deciding that it comes before the employee. What would really bother me is if the employee was entitled to subsidies and therefor is dumping their employee on to the taxpayer and not doing the right think by their employees. As I said previously the jury is still out on the practice as far as I'm concerned.

Hold On to Your Health Care - The Daily Beast

Long before ACA, corporations with no unions dropped medical insurance because it was cheaper and they still have that option today. It became a big deal when Fox News made it an issue, over and over again.

“[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.” John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) [/FONT]

 

[esmith]

But the employee IS a taxpayer...so what's the problem with the taxpayer being elible for the subsidy. I asked Revoltingist about this during the process of his (N0. 1) son getting healthcare through the exchange. Since his son is a taxpayer there's nothing wrong with getting the subsidy.... Do you disagree?

That is not the issue. The employer is providing health care to the employees, employee "A" is a high maintenance (health problems), the company drops employee "A" to the exchange. Now is this right?

 

[esmith]

It may be that the numbers that were touted about the number of enrollees in Obmacare may be fudged according to the Energy and Commerce Committee in the House. It appears that only about 67% in the federal exchanges have paid their premiums.
from: Committee Learns Who

Nationwide (as of April 15, 2014), 67 percent of people had completed enrollment and paid their first month’s premium and 33 percent had not. Of those who had paid their first month’s premium:

• Under 18: six percent;
• Ages 18 to 25: 10 percent;
• 26 to 34: 15 percent;
• 35 to 44: 16 percent;
• 45 to 54: 23 percent;
• 55 to 64: 29 percent;
• 65 and older: 1 percent.

For breakdown by state: http://energycommerce.house.gov/sit...1/043014State-Percentages-Enrollment-Data.pdf

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Obamacare brings down uninsured rate to 13.4%, Gallup poll contends - Health Exchange - MarketWatch

The ratio of Americans without health insurance has dropped to its lowest rate for at least the past six years, and is nearly five points below its peak, thanks largely to mandates imposed by the Affordable Care Act.

Gallup says the rate of uninsured could fall further if more states decide to expand Medicaid and run their own health exchange. The rates of uninsured have dropped more in states that have expanded Medicaid, Gallup says. Another factor that could bring the uninsured rates down is the 2015 mandate for employers to provide coverage to workers.

 

[tytlyf]

It may be that the numbers that were touted about the number of enrollees in Obmacare may be fudged according to the Energy and Commerce Committee in the House. It appears that only about 67% in the federal exchanges have paid their premiums.
from: Committee Learns Who
For breakdown by state: http://energycommerce.house.gov/sit...1/043014State-Percentages-Enrollment-Data.pdf

Haha. They got you! Fact checking helps.

EXCLUSIVE: Here's The House GOP's 'Incredibly Rigged' Obamacare Survey
Can Conservative Media's Obamacare Enrollment Trutherism Finally Be Put To Rest? | Blog | Media Matters for America

 

[Dirty Penguin]

That is not the issue. The employer is providing health care to the employees, employee "A" is a high maintenance (health problems), the company drops employee "A" to the exchange. Now is this right?

Personally I think employers should continue to negotiate better plans and rates. As you mentioned...an employer is looking out for the bottom line. Employers typically pay a portion up to a certain percentage of the premium and the employee contributes the rest. Some of my co-works pay about $200 -$300 per month and the employer is picking up the other 60 to 80%. Many of the plans on the exchange are much cheaper than this...Maybe employer could negotiate corporate plans through the exchange..I'm not sure but I see the appeal of dumping everyone onto the exchange. It reduces or eliminates their burden, employees could be covered at a significantly reduced rate with a subsidy (if the qualify) to boot....