Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

[esmith]

Really?......

The dispute is between the unions and the employer. Obama can't do anything about their collective bargaining issue.....but congress on a whole could address it and make the appropriate tweaks....or do you need the School House Rock version of how a bill becomes law....


Obama

Look the Democrats wrote the bill and passed it with not other political consent. The labor unions backed Obama and the Democrats on Obummercare. They have to live with their decisions....no changes just because they are a large part of the Democrats base. Tough titty.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Look the Democrats wrote the bill and passed it with not other political consent. The labor unions backed Obama and the Democrats on Obummercare. They have to live with their decisions....no changes just because they are a large part of the Democrats base. Tough titty.

Many Dems felt the same way about the Republican Unfunded Medicare Part D but we were the mature party in all of that and worked with republicans to make it better.... Shucks, it took this president, through the ACA to close that donut whole and add 10 more years of life to Medicare......But don't think that for one moment unions are going to abandon the democratic party considering there is no love for them in your party.......

 

[metis]

Isn't it such a travesty that the Republicans did nothing to fix a health-care system in crisis when they had the opportunity to do so since they controlled both houses and the presidency, but now they're whining because we actually have a president and had a congress that finally got something passed that helps millions of Americans? Yes, there are some problems with the ACA, but it sure would be nice if both parties worked together to fix them.

But what goes beyond "travesty" into "morally deplorable" is when we have a segment of our society that simply believes that money is far more important than American lives to the point whereas they would be so willing to repeal most of the ACA. If they truly believed that American lives are more important, then they would be willing to work with the other party to fix the problems, but they ain't.

As we are seeing, the Republican Party has repeated its efforts to refuse to help their fellow Americans. They opposed Social Security. They opposed Medicare. They opposed Medicaid. They opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. They oppose raising the minimum wage. Republican-controlled states are trying to make it more difficult for minorities to vote. Etc.

And they have continued to oppose these items and more while at the same time wrapping themselves in the American flag while claiming to be "true patriots". I'm sorry, but "true patriots" help Americans that are in need of being helped, although this doesn't take away our own responsibilities to help ourselves as well.

I grew up in a Republican family and have voted three times in the past for Republican presidents and one independent, but this party has gone off the tracks to put money and power ahead of everything else to the point whereas I simply cannot see myself voting Republican for even dogcatcher. It ain't your parent's Republican Party.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Insurers flocking to ObamaCare | TheHill

In the 10 states where data is available, at least 27 new insurers have indicated they will offer plans on the marketplaces in 2015. Each additional carrier will expand the number of plans sold on the exchanges, since none of the carriers already offering plans have indicated they will drop out.

Obamacare Cuts Kentucky's Uninsured Rate By 40 Percent

Some 75 percent of them -- 270,000 -- were previously uninsured. That means Kentucky's uninsured population of 640,000 has come down by 42 percent.

Vitter's Medicaid Expansion Ploy Is Bad News for Purple-State GOPers | New Republic

"We need to improve and reform Medicaid, and I want to look at everything that could be brought to bear to do that. Now, could more federal resources help to do that? They could, if it's done right and if it's done in a constructive way."

Even though he voted against the ACA he seems to be leaning toward Medicaid expansion. It must be an election year....

 

[metis]

Insurers flocking to ObamaCare | TheHill


Obamacare Cuts Kentucky's Uninsured Rate By 40 Percent


Vitter's Medicaid Expansion Ploy Is Bad News for Purple-State GOPers | New Republic


Even though he voted against the ACA he seems to be leaning toward Medicaid expansion. It must be an election year....

Are you noticing that you are hearing less and less about the "evils" of "Obamacare" coming from the R's?

 

[tytlyf]

Are you noticing that you are hearing less and less about the "evils" of "Obamacare" coming from the R's?

They don't even mention it anymore. Just as predicted months ago, as the ACA is further implemented, the positives will continue to outshine the negatives.
As some republicans here predicted that no democrat will run on the ACA in november, still feel the same?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Are you noticing that you are hearing less and less about the "evils" of "Obamacare" coming from the R's?

They don't even mention it anymore. Just as predicted months ago, as the ACA is further implemented, the positives will continue to outshine the negatives.
As some republicans here predicted that no democrat will run on the ACA in november, still feel the same?

They're likely too busy deleting their own tweets, so that when the election nears, they can try to tell all their constituents (who use and love the ACA), that they always supported spreading Romney's health care plan. :yes:

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Are you noticing that you are hearing less and less about the "evils" of "Obamacare" coming from the R's?

Yep....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

They're likely too busy deleting their own tweets, so that when the election nears, they can try to tell all their constituents (who use and love the ACA), that they always supported spreading Romney's health care plan. :yes:

Yep...they never really embraced RomneyCare but when the election ramps up you'll likely hear....('And WE did in Massachusetts.......')

 

[esmith]

There is nothing that can be done until those that disagree with some aspects of the ACA can have the necessary votes to do so. I think, if you go to states where Democrats are in trouble with their constitutes during the upcoming election cycle you will here more.

 

[tytlyf]

There is nothing that can be done until those that disagree with some aspects of the ACA can have the necessary votes to do so. I think, if you go to states where Democrats are in trouble with their constitutes during the upcoming election cycle you will here more.

true, and that is the minority in the democratic party.. Competing in 'red' states who hate the ACA only because they hear it's a government program. Which of course is due to misinformation.
Even then, you probably won't even see the ACA on the radar come november. If fox isn't trying to smear it, then their supporters won't be focused on it.
Remember, fox and RW media is only against the ACA because they are trying to protect the profits of insurance companies. They don't care about middle-lower America.

 

[esmith]

true, and that is the minority in the democratic party.. Competing in 'red' states who hate the ACA only because they hear it's a government program. Which of course is due to misinformation.
Even then, you probably won't even see the ACA on the radar come november. If fox isn't trying to smear it, then their supporters won't be focused on it.
Remember, fox and RW media is only against the ACA because they are trying to protect the profits of insurance companies. They don't care about middle-lower America.

Huh maybe you better reconsider your thought process about insurance companies an profits. The ACA has guaranteed the profits of insurance companies for the next few years and the insurance companies were thrilled when the ACA became law because that meant they got more customers.

 

[tytlyf]

Huh maybe you better reconsider your thought process about insurance companies an profits. The ACA has guaranteed the profits of insurance companies for the next few years and the insurance companies were thrilled when the ACA became law because that meant they got more customers.

I haven't heard that before. I think the insurance companies aren't very happy about one thing. Pre-existing coverage. Which can be the most costly to their bottom line. Hence why pre-existing conditions have been denied in the past.
I'd be willing to be that fox-republicans think the ACA is a government insurance program and non-fox republicans know it's still run by private companies.
How is that? Fox has an agenda and 'fair and balanced' has always been an illusion.

 

[metis]

The insurance companies were playing it both ways, but their bigger donations was anti-ACA. Generally speaking, insurance companies don't like regulations-- it prevents them from ripping people off so as to pay their investors bigger dividends.

 

[tytlyf]

The insurance companies were playing it both ways, but their bigger donations was anti-ACA. Generally speaking, insurance companies don't like regulations-- it prevents them from ripping people off so as to pay their investors bigger dividends.

I never understood how a box of kleenex next to your bed in the hospital is worth $15-20?/

 

[metis]

I never understood how a box of kleenex next to your bed in the hospital is worth $15-20?/

Expensive trees?

 

[esmith]

I haven't heard that before. I think the insurance companies aren't very happy about one thing. Pre-existing coverage. Which can be the most costly to their bottom line. Hence why pre-existing conditions have been denied in the past.
I'd be willing to be that fox-republicans think the ACA is a government insurance program and non-fox republicans know it's still run by private companies.
How is that? Fox has an agenda and 'fair and balanced' has always been an illusion.

Maybe you should listen to your big daddy Michael Moore
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...l-moore-obamacare-sends-over-100-billion-ins/

 

[metis]

I'd be willing to be that fox-republicans think the ACA is a government insurance program and non-fox republicans know it's still run by private companies.
How is that? Fox has an agenda and 'fair and balanced' has always been an illusion.

Yes, and these Fox Republicans believe that Obama is a black, socialist, Muslem, Kenyan-born, not a "true patriot" Democrat. I haven't looked at a poll recently on this, but only a couple of years ago the majority of these "intellectuals" actually believed most of this.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news today.....
http://time.com/4282054/obamacare-taxes/
Not only are health care costs increasing, bu tax penalties for people who don't buy insurance are increasing.
So those who can't afford insurance or health care have to pay some of what little they have to the IRS.

Caution:
In the above post, there is no claim that.....
Obama is a Muslim
Obama was born in Kenya

 

[4consideration]

In the news today.....
http://time.com/4282054/obamacare-taxes/
Not only are health care costs increasing, bu tax penalties for people who don't buy insurance are increasing.
So those who can't afford insurance or health care have to pay some of what little they have to the IRS.

Caution:
In the above post, there is no claim that.....
Obama is a Muslim
Obama was born in Kenya

What? What do you mean "what little they have?" Those Fat Cats making around 60,000 for a family of 4 are rolling in the dough!

Just because they can't afford insurance coverage doesn't mean they aren't irresponsible. They need to pay a Shared Responsibility Penalty of up to/around $1,200 for 2015 and $2,085 for 2016 (depending on if any, and who, in the family are covered.)

Otherwise they're just going to squander it on paying for actual health care services. The selfish ********! They should be fined.

Everybody knows if you have to choose between having health coverage you can actually afford to use, and paying directly to at least get some kinds of health care services for your family -- the responsible person chooses to buy coverage they can't use -- because, well...then they have coverage, even if they get no service -- and it helps the numbers look better for political purposes for more people to have "health coverage" than did before the ACA legislation.

And those people that did purchase health coverage, they can't afford to use for their family members because of high deductibles, can deal with the worry and stress of someone in their own family's health issue going unaddressed, by knowing that at least their government considers them responsible, so they don't have to get penalized by anything other than loss of sleep, ulcers, and other forms of stress related maladies from the realization they might have been able to purchase health care services if they could have used the money spent on premiums for coverage they can't use to pay for actual health care services.

(I can't find the sarcasm emoticon, so this is it.)