Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

[Dirty Penguin]

Looking at the similarity in these 2 codes.....
V9542XA - Forced landing of spacecraft injuring occupant, initial encounter
V9027XA - Drowning and submersion due to falling or jumping from burning water-skis, initial encounter
...in the minds of vogons who designed this system, there must be something
similar about crash landing space ships & burning water skis drowning you.
Organizing information should not be left to amateurs & government schlubs.
Where's Dmitri Medeleev when you need him?

Are you under the impression that these codes were developed by the Obama Administration (e.g. HIPPA - ACA)...?

 

[tytlyf]

If it is not for political reasons, as you assume, what was the reason for delaying the mandate until after the 2014 elections. Feel free to put forth any plausible reason. Note I said plausible.

Read the links you provided. (not the propaganda ones). The republicans were in favor of the delay anyways. If this is for political reasons, it would be scrapped entirely and not delayed. Let's not forget esmith that he's delaying the mandate a year for only 4% of businesses. That sure is a tiny percentage to target for political reasons. Make sense yet? Or is the propaganda easier to swallow like usual?

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said the president "selectively delays" parts of the law to avoid negative consequences.

 

[esmith]

Read the links you provided. (not the propaganda ones). The republicans were in favor of the delay anyways. If this is for political reasons, it would be scrapped entirely and not delayed. Let's not forget esmith that he's delaying the mandate a year for only 4% of businesses. That sure is a tiny percentage to target for political reasons. Make sense yet? Or is the propaganda easier to swallow like usual?

You still have not answered the question of "why the delay". Is it because you do not have an answer or afraid that the answer is that it was done for political reasons? Come on tytlyf stop blovating, r give your answer on why. Also you always ask for links for data verification yet you say only 4% of businesses will be affect. Where did you get your data?

I know you won't like it, but here are the facts as we know them today.

Administration offers 2-year ObamaCare extension for canceled health plans | Fox News

It's not clear how many people would actually be affected by the latest change. About half the states have allowed insurance companies to extend canceled policies for a year under the original White House transition plan. The policies usually provided less financial protection and narrower benefits than the coverage required under the law. Nonetheless, the skimpier insurance was acceptable to many consumers because it generally cost less.
"It's not likely to affect a large number of people but it certainly avoids difficult anecdotes about people having their policies canceled," said Larry Levitt of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, an expert on insurance markets. "I think it's a small and dwindling number of people who are affected."
It's also not known if policyholders will find any financial relief if they are allowed to stay with their extended policies. Insurers in several states where extensions were allowed for 2014 have said they planned to hike the cost of those plans.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you under the impression that these codes were developed by the Obama Administration (e.g. HIPPA - ACA)...?

You'll notice that I specifically did not say that.
Guess why.

 

[esmith]

Are you under the impression that these codes were developed by the Obama Administration (e.g. HIPPA - ACA)...?

In the words of Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make" who developed the codes. They are nothing more than an indications that it is getting harder and harder to comply with the petty bureaucrats.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You'll notice that I specifically did not say that.
Guess why.

Then what was meant by ("Organizing information should not be left to amateurs & government schlubs")....?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

In the words of Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make" who developed the codes. They are nothing more than an indications that it is getting harder and harder to comply with the petty bureaucrats.

It has nothing to do with "bureaucrats". These codes would be in effect with or or without the ACA.....

 

[esmith]

It has nothing to do with "bureaucrats". These codes would be in effect with or or without the ACA.....

You sure have a one tract mind. Anytime someone says something you immediately jump to the conclusion that they are attacking Obamacare. You will notice there was nothing in my statement that pointed to Obamacare. Just for your information, the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) is responsible through approval of the World Health Organization.

ICD - ICD-10-CM - International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision, Clinical Modification

 

[Revoltingest]

Then what was meant by ("Organizing information should not be left to amateurs & government schlubs")....?

I intended it to be an insult to those who adopt & those (WHO) who create them.
Note: WHO is an initialism; not the word "who".
Note: An initialism is different from an acronym.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I intended it to be an insult to those who adopt & those (WHO) who create them.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You sure have a one tract mind. Anytime someone says something you immediately jump to the conclusion that they are attacking Obamacare. You will notice there was nothing in my statement that pointed to Obamacare. Just for your information, the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) is responsible through approval of the World Health Organization.

ICD - ICD-10-CM - International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision, Clinical Modification

I wasn't assuming you were attacking the ACA. Just trying to separate the construction of the codes themselves from the law (i.e. ACA) that's been designed around them. Maybe I should have asked for clarification as to what you meant by "petty bureaucrats"....

What did you mean by "petty bureaucrats"? What is that in reference to?

 

[esmith]

I wasn't assuming you were attacking the ACA. Just trying to separate the construction of the codes themselves from the law (i.e. ACA) that's been designed around them. Maybe I should have asked for clarification as to what you meant by "petty bureaucrats"....

What did you mean by "petty bureaucrats"? What is that in reference to?

Well whom do you think populates the "The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)"
from search for definition of Bureaucrat on Google:

Bureaucrat
noun
noun: bureaucrat; plural noun: bureaucrats
1.
an official in a government department, in particular one perceived as being concerned with procedural correctness at the expense of people's needs.
synonyms:official, officeholder, administrator, public servant, civil servant, functionary;

 

[tytlyf]

You still have not answered the question of "why the delay". Is it because you do not have an answer or afraid that the answer is that it was done for political reasons? Come on tytlyf stop blovating, r give your answer on why. Also you always ask for links for data verification yet you say only 4% of businesses will be affect. Where did you get your data?

I know you won't like it, but here are the facts as we know them today.

Administration offers 2-year ObamaCare extension for canceled health plans | Fox News

The delay will allow the 4% of businesses affected more time to set up plans. It's still going to be implemented, just allowing a larger window of time.

As far as the proof of the 4% of businesses only affected by this, well I used the link you provided last page.

"While about 96% of employers are not subject to the employer responsibility provision, for those employers that are, we will continue to make the compliance process simpler and easier to navigate," said Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy Mark Mazur. "Today's final regulations phase in the standards to ensure that larger employers either offer quality, affordable coverage or make an employer responsibility payment starting in 2015 to help offset the cost to taxpayers of coverage or subsidies to their employees."
Another part of the Affordable Care Act delayed for a year

 

[metis]

Since at least one person here is enamored with the Fox Propaganda Channel, I guess that O'Reilly said the other night that Republicans just have to accept the fact that the ACA is here to stay, so they should instead direct their efforts at trying to work with the Democrats to make some adjustments that he feels should be made. Sounds sensible to me.

 

[esmith]

Since at least one person here is enamored with the Fox Propaganda Channel, I guess that O'Reilly said the other night that Republicans just have to accept the fact that the ACA is here to stay, so they should instead direct their efforts at trying to work with the Democrats to make some adjustments that he feels should be made. Sounds sensible to me.

I agree, I don't think it can be taken completely apart, that would cause total chaos in the health care industry. However, it appears so muddled now can it really be fixed?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well whom do you think populates the "The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)"
from search for definition of Bureaucrat on Google:

So why are they being called "petty bureaucrats" for using the standards set by the W.H.O..?

 

[Revoltingest]

Some good news....
Bill to Make the Fine $0 for Violating the Individual Mandate Passes by 90 Votes | The Weekly Standard

OK, OK, not everything else in the linked article is so hunky dory.

 

[esmith]

So why are they being called "petty bureaucrats" for using the standards set by the W.H.O..?

Guess you didn't read the article.

The clinical modification represents a significant improvement over ICD-9-CM and ICD-10. Specific improvements include: the addition of information relevant to ambulatory and managed care encounters; expanded injury codes; the creation of combination diagnosis/symptom codes to reduce the number of codes needed to fully describe a condition; the addition of sixth and seventh characters; incorporation of common 4th and 5th digit subclassifications; laterality; and greater specificity in code assignment. The new structure will allow further expansion than was possible with ICD-9-CM.

These were modified by NCHS not by the WHO

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Guess you didn't read the article.

Oh but I did....

These were modified by NCHS not by the WHO

I wasn't arguing who modified it. I clearly stated that the W.H.O set the standard. In fact making modifications to a set of standard billing codes is normal. The US isn't alone in doing so.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

An update...
Cancer Patient Who Blamed Obamacare For 'Unaffordable' Costs Will Actually Save Money

This post isn't clear.
- Which tax rates do you propose returning to? Average tax rates? Effective tax rates?
Payroll tax rates & limitations? Marginal tax rates (75% on $100K & 91% on $400K in 1960)?
- Would you also return to the tax reduction devices of that period too,
eg, accelerated depreciation with only capital gains recapture upon sale?
- Is your point that the tax structure then was more conducive to prosperity & growth,
or do you believe revenue was higher back then?

Note:
- The major marginal tax rate cuts (under Reagan) were a long (not short) term strategy.
- The economic gains of the 50s & 60s were due to factors other than taxation, eg,
less regulation than now, less foreign competition, domestic productivity advantages.
- There is another way to raise money. Stop squandering it on foreign adventurism.

I'm no fan of creeping socialism, but given a choice between the universal care you
like & Obamacare, I'd give up foreign aid & foreign wars in trade for single payer.
It would avoid things like this....
Obamacare 'Little Help' for Woman With Prosthetic Leg | The Weekly Standard

Sorry. I haven't been following for a while.
Primarily I was speaking of removing the Reagan tax cuts on the top earners. As far as they being "long term", that is a flimsy and very relativistic phrase. I think most everybody (at least 99%) would agree that however "long" they thought they should be, that term expired a "long" time ago.
Ronald Reagan's Budget Director Says Repeal the Tax Cuts: Republicans "Should be Ashamed"
Taxes: What people forget about Reagan - Sep. 8, 2010
Take a Hard Line: We Should be Rolling Back the REAGAN Tax Cuts for the Rich, Not Just Bush
Of course i also agree with you about squandering our money on wars; and furthermore just the background level of squandering on a massively overcompensated military ( just like the late Bin Laden wanted us to have. :yes: