Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

[esmith]

Of course i also agree with you about squandering our money on wars; and furthermore just the background level of squandering on a massively overcompensated military ( just like the late Bin Laden wanted us to have. :yes:

I have snipped some parts of your post since I had nothing to say about them, and am commenting on the above. As a veteran, I was wondering where you think that the military is "overcompensated"? I will have to assume you mean military personal.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

An update...
Cancer Patient Who Blamed Obamacare For 'Unaffordable' Costs Will Actually Save Money

I've seen the commercial in my area. I'm glad she's able to save money. Maybe AFP (backed by Koch) will revise the commercial giving us a status update. I won't hold my breath.

Sorry. I haven't been following for a while.
Primarily I was speaking of removing the Reagan tax cuts on the top earners. As far as they being "long term", that is a flimsy and very relativistic phrase. I think most everybody (at least 99%) would agree that however "long" they thought they should be, that term expired a "long" time ago.
Ronald Reagan's Budget Director Says Repeal the Tax Cuts: Republicans "Should be Ashamed"
Taxes: What people forget about Reagan - Sep. 8, 2010
Take a Hard Line: We Should be Rolling Back the REAGAN Tax Cuts for the Rich, Not Just Bush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_XUAk-PVJ0

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry. I haven't been following for a while.
Primarily I was speaking of removing the Reagan tax cuts on the top earners. As far as they being "long term", that is a flimsy and very relativistic phrase. I think most everybody (at least 99%) would agree that however "long" they thought they should be, that term expired a "long" time ago.

While you think the tax cuts have gone on too long, they were nonetheless a long term economic strategy. I say he had the right idea to cut marginal tax rates while eliminating many tax avoidance schemes. For a given level of revenue, this is better for the economy. My problem with the Reagan cuts was that they didn't go far enuf getting rid of personal deductions. (Note that total tax receipts increased under Reagan.)

Ronald Reagan's Budget Director Says Repeal the Tax Cuts: Republicans "Should be Ashamed"
Taxes: What people forget about Reagan - Sep. 8, 2010
Take a Hard Line: We Should be Rolling Back the REAGAN Tax Cuts for the Rich, Not Just Bush
Of course i also agree with you about squandering our money on wars; and furthermore just the background level of squandering on a massively overcompensated military ( just like the late Bin Laden wanted us to have. :yes:

To return to the high marginal tax rates prior to Reagan without adopting the mitigating measures (eg, tax deductions, relative regulatory simplicity) would be a gigantic tax increase. To pay 70% income tax rates on most of our income? I don't know about you guyz, but Mrs Revolt & I would stop working entirely....except in the underground economy.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This was hilarious. The expression on this guy's face was priceless....

Third World Health Care - Knoxville, Tennessee Edition - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central

 

[esmith]

Looks like more exemptions for Obamacare.
White House broadens Obamacare exemptions - Jennifer Haberkorn and Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

 

[esmith]

Looks like more exemptions for Obamacare.
Broad Hardship Exemption to Obamacare Mandate Added to Healthcare.gov Since Yesterday

Is there going to be anyone left to pay for this? Oh, that's right the taxpayer is stuck with the bill.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Looks like more exemptions for Obamacare.
Broad Hardship Exemption to Obamacare Mandate Added to Healthcare.gov Since Yesterday

Is there going to be anyone left to pay for this? Oh, that's right the taxpayer is stuck with the bill.

The taxpayer is stuck with a lot of bills we believe we shouldn't be stuck with....why focus on this one solely?

 

[Revoltingest]

A friend (call him "Frenchy") got onto the Obamacare website, & after an hour or so of research, he
discovered that he could get his current plan thru the ACA exchange...for only $200/month more.

#1 son is still a smoker according to Obamacare. Many aparatchiks have stated their intention to
correct the error, but it's apparently a very lengthy & difficult process to uncheck the smoker box,
& check the non-smoker box. Just to be safe, he might take up smoking in order to avoid the
crime of falsifying the form.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Marketplace Enrollment Hits 5 Million Milestone | HHS.gov/healthcare

As this historic open enrollment period enters its final weeks, millions of Americans are finding quality, affordable coverage thanks to the Affordable Care Act. Fernando Valdez and Denise Schroeder were part of a weekend wave of consumers signing up for new coverage and bringing enrollment nationwide to more than 5 million through the Federal and State-based Marketplaces since October 1st.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

A friend (call him "Frenchy") got onto the Obamacare website, & after an hour or so of research, he
discovered that he could get his current plan thru the ACA exchange...for only $200/month more.

$200 more in premiums...?....did he not qualify for a subsidy?...That's what it sounds like to me.

I'd also be interested in what his deductible and out of pocket expenses would be in comparison....additionally I'd also like to compare his current plan structure to plans he found on through the exchange. It's kind of tough when we don't have the details put into context.

 

[Revoltingest]

$200 more in premiums...?....did he not qualify for a subsidy?...That's what it sounds like to me.

I'd also be interested in what his deductible and out of pocket expenses would be in comparison....additionally I'd also like to compare his current plan structure to plans he found on through the exchange. It's kind of tough when we don't have the details put into context.

I hear that one's zip code & income level determine the subsidy status. I don't know the details of his experience
or why this result. But even if he made some error it still points to a troubled process. He's a smart guy, & if he
obtains only an abominable result due to error, then the process is a twitchy & inscrutable mess.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I hear that one's zip code & income level determine the subsidy status. I don't know the details of his experience
or why this result.

I can understand that. Yeah, that's why I said it's tough when we don't know all the details in context.

 

[metis]

The taxpayer is stuck with a lot of bills we believe we shouldn't be stuck with....why focus on this one solely?

Good point, imo. Some people have been all too happy to go to war but then hesitate to spend even a penny on helping their own fellow Americans in need.

 

[Revoltingest]

The taxpayer is stuck with a lot of bills we believe we shouldn't be stuck with....why focus on this one solely?

Because the thread is about Obamacare?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Good point, imo. Some people have been all too happy to go to war but then hesitate to spend even a penny on helping their own fellow Americans in need.

True indeed.......

 

[esmith]

Good point, imo. Some people have been all too happy to go to war but then hesitate to spend even a penny on helping their own fellow Americans in need.

I really don't know of anyone that is "happy" to go to war. However, to your point I put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few.

 

[metis]

I really don't know of anyone that is "happy" to go to war. However, to your point I put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few.

Then you should be strongly in favor of the ACA, although there's definitely room, imo, for adjustments. So, are you in favor of universal health care?

 

[esmith]

Then you should be strongly in favor of the ACA, although there's definitely room, imo, for adjustments. So, are you in favor of universal health care?

To, answer your question about ACA NO. As to your question about universal health care NO. My remark was in reference to the military defense of the country.

 

[metis]

To, answer your question about ACA NO. As to your question about universal health care NO. My remark was in reference to the military defense of the country.

Well, there's a problem with the above as here is what you had written: "However, to your point I put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few."

So, obviously you really don't "put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few". Logically, the "welfare of all" doesn't just deal with matters of war, nor does the Constitution say or imply as such.

Therefore, why do you balk at helping your fellow Americans outside of war itself? What's holding you back?

 

[esmith]

Well, there's a problem with the above as here is what you had written: "However, to your point I put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few."

So, obviously you really don't "put the welfare of all above the welfare of the few". Logically, the "welfare of all" doesn't just deal with matters of war, nor does the Constitution say or imply as such.

Therefore, why do you balk at helping your fellow Americans outside of war itself? What's holding you back?

I'm willing to help them to a point but I balk at supporting all of them for life. Your original context of your post was in reference to "happy to go to war". Second the Constitution does not guarantee you health care, it does mandate for the defense of the country. Yeah, I know there are you that read the Constitution differently, so be it. I just don't agree with you.