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Dangers of AI

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ouroboros said:
I agree with you. The virtualization or emulations we do today are very simple. But it will get more advanced. And it will start with the self-driving cars (I believe)...
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Self driving cars are relatively simple things compared to AI. These things already exist, yet no software is yet able to beat a human in a complex board game like go. (Chess is relatively simple because computers can play it by brute force, ie, by using a massive playbook & exploring decision trees). There's a long way to go.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Revoltingest said:
Self driving cars are relatively simple things compared to AI.
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Right now, yes.

I'm talking about the next generations of self-driving cars. They won't just be able to drive from point A to point B but to figure out the best routes around clogged up traffic, being able to pick up the kids from school, go grocery shopping, drive you home if you've been out partying, foresee when the best time to drive you to work, and so on. They'll become more than just automatic driving on the road.

These things already exist, yet no software is yet able to beat a human in a complex board game like go. (Chess is relatively simple because computers can play it by brute force, ie, by using a massive playbook & exploring decision trees). There's a long way to go.
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Oh. I'm not disagreeing with you there. When it comes to Go however, I read somewhere that MoGo beat two professional Go players a few years back.

Also, I know that there is now executive decision software out there, used in larger corporations to help making decisions in a company for routines that normally is done by a manager. The strange thing is, sometimes the software suggests strange ideas, and when they implement them, they work but no one quite understand why. I also saw that this kind of software is already in place in many banks.

Another area that we will see AI grow is driving airplanes, drones, trucks for transport, boats, submarines, heavy machinery for construction like lifts etc.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ouroboros said:
Right now, yes.

I'm talking about the next generations of self-driving cars. They won't just be able to drive from point A to point B but to figure out the best routes around clogged up traffic, being able to pick up the kids from school, go grocery shopping, drive you home if you've been out partying, foresee when the best time to drive you to work, and so on. They'll become more than just automatic driving on the road.


Oh. I'm not disagreeing with you there. When it comes to Go however, I read somewhere that MoGo beat two professional Go players a few years back.

Also, I know that there is now executive decision software out there, used in larger corporations to help making decisions in a company for routines that normally is done by a manager. The strange thing is, sometimes the software suggests strange ideas, and when they implement them, they work but no one quite understand why. I also saw that this kind of software is already in place in many banks.

Another area that we will see AI grow is driving airplanes, drones, trucks for transport, boats, submarines, heavy machinery for construction like lifts etc.
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No computer program can yet defeat even a strong amateur on the typical 19x19 board, where the human's far superior pattern recognition abilities rule. Computers do well only on small boards, eg, 9x9, where playbooks & decision trees are effective.
Note: When I've played commercially available programs, I've had to give the software a big handicap just to make things even. I'm only a weak amateur (4K at best).
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Revoltingest said:
No computer program can yet defeat even a strong amateur on the typical 19x19 board, where the human's far superior pattern recognition abilities rule.
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Very true. AI is far from there yet. And big part of it is the difference how a computer is made to "think" and how our brain works.

First of all, a true AI would have to be built on a non-von newman architecture. Memory, sensory, decision, etc, built upon neural networks rather than MMU/CPU/RAM/etc. But the way we build computer chips are still the old fashioned way. The biggest difference is that computers that we build are thought out in a reductive way, top down, modular, while the brain works more holistic, functions arising from its interaction with the environment (at least that's how I see it). Just take muscles and the nerves in arms, legs, back that control them. They have memory too, memory of how to move muscles at given times and given responses. It's a distributed system.

Computers do well only on small boards, eg, 9x9, where playbooks & decision trees are effective.
Note: When I've played commercially available programs, I've had to give the software a big handicap just to make things even. I'm only a weak amateur (4K at best).
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Sure. That's where we are now, but this field is expanding and advancing quickly.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Brickjectivity said:
Fuzzy Logic is a technique to make a simple type of Neural Network: What is 'fuzzy logic'? Are there computers thatare inherently fuzzy and do not apply the usual binary logic? - Scientific American which may be implemented in software or hardware. Its used for controlling machines and is probably what they use for self-driving cars.
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No. You're completely wrong.

This is fuzzy logic:
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:D
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Actually Fuzzy Logic is just a really cool nick to use in forums, especially for someone into paranormal religions and ufo's.
 
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Jake1001

Computer Simulator
Hi Shawn, sorry I haven't been around much....busy at work...btw, fun vid by Bill Nye. And I agree, optimism is really important, and good....but in Star Trek...even though we earthlings seem to get on peachy....aren't we always fighting the Romulens, etc. ?? So what's the message...???....are we always going to be fighting in the hierarchy ???
 
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