Darwin censored by the Turkish government's internet filter

[beenie]

I don't know why there's a need to "ban". People who are strong in their faith won't be swayed anyway, and those that choose to accept even a portion of evolutionism will do so anyway.

Censorship does no favors for anyone.

 

[YmirGF]

it is an important point and it goes both ways. at least i have the guts to be honest about it, we both very well know that i am a creationist and i don't accept evolution, just as you are an evolutionist and do not accept creationism. why the sudden urge to highlight my statement? if you have nothing better to do just say so.

You have the guts to proudly crow about your ignorance? While that might be impressive to some, you don't get any brownie points from me in doing so. You actually work at it to PROMOTE ignorance.

To explain my sudden desire to highlight your statement was to draw attention to what you said, lest others unwittingly waste their time to try to correct your thinking. You don't want to learn. In those terms other posters need not waste their metaphorical breath attempting to educate you. You believe you already know the truth. You could think of my highlighting your comment as being a "public service" message to other posters on RF - in case they were not well aware of your penchant for this kind of behavior. I.E. Wanton displays of willful ignorance.


Oh and for the record, Eselam, I am not an "evolutionist". I am a normal human being who believes that there is a high probability that the Theory of Evolution is quite correct. I do not give a rat's hindquarters about Charles Darwin's thinking on race - ideas that were quite popular even into the 20th century. Due to your willful ignorance about the Theory of Evolution you see a very superficial connection between race theory and the Theory of Evolution. Suffice to say that there is no real connection between these two ideas. It is like saying that because you are a Muslim YOU therefore believe every popular fantasy that exists in the Muslim world.

In closing, I chose to highlight your comment because I thought it was a striking example of willful ignorance. It was a veritable crowing from the rooftop. I didn't want that to pass unnoticed amidst all your other babbling.

Just so you understand, as you do not take the theory of evolution seriously, so others SHOULD not take whatever you say about said theory seriously either. You are certainly no expert and what knowledge you do have is so superficial as to be unworthy of any serious response. I hope that is clear enough.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't know why there's a need to "ban". People who are strong in their faith won't be swayed anyway, and those that choose to accept even a portion of evolutionism will do so anyway.

Censorship does no favors for anyone.

I agree wholeheartedly. I am not interested in the elimination of rogue thought altogether. Willful ignorance should be treated as a mental illness and addressed accordingly.

 

[Riverwolf]

i believe the same thing can be said about evolution, it's not science, it's just wishful thinking to escape the real world, everyone loves a mythical story of humans someday evolving into lions, or developing wings.

The former being all kinds of impossible, and the latter being so statistically unlikely that it might as well be impossible.

This is what ignorance of evolution does: promote fake ideas as to what it says. What you've just said is most definitely not science; nobody who accepts evolution believes for one second that we'll become lions one day, or that we'll one day develop wings, especially now that we've artificially developed the ability to fly.

 

[not nom]

nobody who accepts evolution believes for one second that we'll become lions one day, or that we'll one day develop wings

oh, I do.. but that's unrelated to my acceptance of evolution, just a thing I have

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Well... Darwin's theory is all about sex (breeding and its ramifications for the species) so it is not surprising *rolls eyes* lol

 

[Caladan]

name me one country other than maybe someone islamic that teaches creationism rather than this notion of living things becoming something different altogether? as far as i know the answer is 0, so look who's talking about exploring both sides or at least giving students a chance to choose. who gets to say that Darwins theories are actually facts? atheists? and i'm talking about the same darwin that claimed that those of white skin are superior/the masters of black people and them having not fully evolved. in the modern world we call that racism, three cheers for darwin supporters.

there are two things which are very wrong in this post. one, is that it is Turkey who banned global terms such as 'evolution' on on line services. so your point is meaningless.
the second thing is your absurd racism claim. Turkey banned the term 'evolution' itself. further more Darwin is part of history, how can you ban something like that?
what about banning Richard Dawkins' site? is he racist as well?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

there are two things which are very wrong in this post. one, is that it is Turkey who banned global terms such as 'evolution' on on line services. so your point is meaningless.
the second thing is your absurd racism claim. Turkey banned the term 'evolution' itself. further more Darwin is part of history, how can you ban something like that?
what about banning Richard Dawkins' site? is he racist as well?

The truth of something, as factual, has never stopped people "banning" or "forbidding" its belief.
Search engines are blunt instruments. People and governments try to limit ideas by banning words necessary to express them.

 

[BadBeast]

This tired old argument is like herding cats. It says more about the adherents of both arguments, needing to be right at any cost, than of any attempt at resolution. Why must either parties need validation from the opposite viewpoint anyway? Can't they both be "right" and leave it at that? An argument is only worth having if there's something to be gained from it. and there is no prize for this one in sight.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Perhaps that is true on the argument about creationism vs evolution BB, however on the topic of FILTERING that is not so, in this case, one view is being mandated by removing access to information about the other view. That is quite abhorrent - regardless of which view the reader personally ascribes to.

 

[Meow Mix]

Source and full article: Darwin censored by the Turkish government's porn filter – Telegraph Blogs

I'm afraid for the people throughout the Middle East. All of their governments seem to be absolutely insane.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Source and full article: Darwin censored by the Turkish government's porn filter – Telegraph Blogs

You know ever since i've read this all i can think of is Evolution Porn.

Those turks are into some really kinky ****.

 

[not nom]

some really kinky ****.

He who admits the principle of sexual selection will be led to the remarkable conclusion that the nervous system not only regulates most of the existing functions of the body, but has indirectly influenced the progressive development of various bodily structures and of certain mental qualities. Courage, pugnacity, perseverance, strength and size of body, weapons of all kinds, musical organs, both vocal and instrumental, bright colours and ornamental appendages, have all been indirectly gained by the one sex or the other, through the exertion of choice, the influence of love and jealousy, and the appreciation of the beautiful in sound, colour or form; and these powers of the mind manifestly depend on the development of the brain.

^ up in your interwebs, seducing your womenz.

 

[not nom]

more sexy time

-- Darwin, with Woman on Bed in foreground, Atelier Van Lieshout ( Atelier Van Lieshout dissects humanity | Radio Netherlands Worldwide )

One sculpture looks like a gigantic purple tadpole; it is at least two metres high and the tail is several metres long, dozens of bodies lie squashed underneath the body of the tadpole. "This piece is called Darwin," says Mr Van Lieshout. "It's a sperm cell that has been magnified thousands of times. The dead men underneath referred to the fact that just one sperm cell in 150 million actually manages to fertilise an ovum. It's survival of the fittest. If you follow the idea to its logical conclusion within a societal context, one arrives at the ubermensch theories that are intimately connected with totalitarian political systems such as fascism".

that would make me think... if it didn't also make me so horny! which in turn reminds me of this, which combines on-topicness with hornyness for darwin:

People who are willing to rely on the government to keep them safe are pretty much standing on Darwin's mat, pounding on the door, screaming, 'Take me, take me!'

like, people who enjoy censorship?

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm afraid for the people throughout the Middle East. All of their governments seem to be absolutely insane.

Isn't turkey a democracy? Doesn't that speak equally of the electorate?

 

[Father Heathen]

great news well done to them, thanks for sharing Caladan.

How do you consider the Islamic world's inability to catch up with the rest of the world "great news"? Embracing ignorance tends to resign people to the wastebasket of history.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

How do you consider the Islamic world's inability to catch up with the rest of the world "great news"? Embracing ignorance tends to resign people to the wastebasket of history.

In some respects the Muslim world keeps up with the rest of the world. they have many capable scientists and other professionals.

In other respects they are indistinguishable from a medieval culture.

Neither of these aspects stop them being extremely troublesome or dangerous to both themselves and to the rest of the world.

 

[BadBeast]

In some respects the Muslim world keeps up with the rest of the world. they have many capable scientists and other professionals.

In other respects they are indistinguishable from a medieval culture.

Neither of these aspects stop them being extremely troublesome or dangerous to both themselves and to the rest of the world.

If you change the word "Muslim" in the above post, to "Christian", it loses nothing in terms of relevance.

 

[Darkness]

to say that the theory of evolution is a joke has nothing to do with having or not having knowledge of the theory of evolution. as i said before, i may be no expert on evolution but i do know a few things. but i still think it is a joke. it was suggested by a primitive cave man how can people actually take him seriously?

Just because you do not believe it does not mean it isn't true. The evidence is totally weighted in favor of the theory of evolution. Transitional fossils abound. The vast majority of those who critique evolution are not Ph.D. trained biologists, and the few scientists who disagree with it, usually do so for the wrong reasons (e.g. The Bible or Qur'an rejects it). It is time for the religions of the world to accept evolutionism or else resign themselves to a fate of anti-intellectual identity.

 

[BadBeast]

I'm afraid for the people throughout the Middle East. All of their governments seem to be absolutely insane.

In contrast to our absolutely sane western ones?