Darwin's Illusion

[cladking]

Not everybody agrees with that. The faithful tell us of a real supernatural realm containing real supernatural beings that are undetectable, meaning that they don't interact with matter.

I think they would agree that a conscious entity intentionally not interacting with reality is thereby interacting with reality.

I don't think it really matters anyway since the statement stands even if some part of reality rarely or never play a role. All observable reality interacts with all of reality so far as we know. Certainly beneath some quantum level mass, gravity, light, and forces might have no effect.

 

[Astrophile]

Everything you say demonstrates that lava is sediment. Rock(s) which comes from within the volcano (coming out as molten rock). No matter how you slice it, it's sediment. Nothing you have written shows it is anything other than sediment.

What sorts of rocks do you think are not sediments? In what ways do they differ from rocks that are sediments?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lava settles on the ground on the surface of the Earth in the form of rocks that flow from inside a volcano.

It was not "rock" until it cooled. It is not formed from "pre-existing rock" as used in that definition.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even worse than mainstream?

It varies, but the looniest of the loons tend to come from nondenominational sects. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and the like.

 

[gnostic]

Has another "theory" been pronounced heresy by Peers?! How many cosmologists have been excommunicated? I suppose some were allowed to renounce the heresy first.

What are you going on about? Universes springing from nothing has never been a theory, or even a hypothesis or conjecture as far as I know.

BTW, who are these "Peers"? Members of the UK House of Lords...?

Can you name these Peers?

who are these cosmologists that have been “excommunicated”, @cladking ?

can you name them?

You are still spinning this conspiracy theory, plus your paranoia is showing.

 

[gnostic]

You made the big deal about lava not being sediment. It comes from inside the volcano and flows on the ground and then cools. And settles there sometimes depending on situation.

No, that’s what a volcano is.

Volcanoes are “openings” or “ruptures” of the Earth’s crust that allow magma flow out from these openings as lava, as well as volcanic ashes & gases, during volcanic eruptions.

However, the magma themselves, the molten rocks - mainly melted silica - formed either from underground MAGMA CHAMBERS, or deeper still from where crust meets the mantle.

Magma would flow vertically through the vents from the magma chamber, then out through ruptures or fissures, in which magma flow out to the surface.

the volcanoes are openings (cracks, fissures or ruptures of the Earth’s crust) and the vents.

It's an extrusive igneous rock you say. A rock??? One rock? Go ahead, explain if you want to. If not, I understand.

The extrusive igneous rocks are those magma (hence lava) that have reach the surface of the crust, and then cooled and solidified either by sea water or by air.

Intrusive igneous rocks are the hot magma that have cooled and solidified while the magma are still within the magma chambers, so there are no volcanic eruptions or volcanic activities occurring during this situation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Intrusive igneous rocks are the hot magma that have cooled and solidified while the magma are still within the magma chambers, so there are no volcanic eruptions or volcanic activities occurring during this situation.

Or it could happen at the same time. It all would depend on how much pressure was involved and where the overlying strata are the weakest. Of course both sorts of events can be dated since the important fact is that we started with magma, or molten rock. When magma forms it resets the radiometric clocks of any material that solidified when it cooled. As you know, but I doubt if @YoursTrue does, when a rock crystalizes the crystalline structure stops material from flowing in or out off the crystals themselves.

Some crystals exclude certain materials. For example all of them will exclude Argon. Argon is an inert gas. It will not react with crystals when they form so it is left behind. Other crystals do not like certain elements such as lead. Zircon's exclude lead. When it forms it will leave lead behind so we can know that any lead within a zircon is from radioactive decay. With others they may not exclude certain elements, but the concentration of those materials will not be consistent throughout the strata. For example when it comes to rubidium strontium several samples need to be analyzed. The ratios of specific isotopes can then be used to determine the original ratios. There is a similar method using lead when one does whole rock analyses.

TLDR: Those doing radiometric dating have several ways to determine original concentrations of parent and daughter products.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, that’s what a volcano is.

Volcanoes are “openings” or “ruptures” of the Earth’s crust that allow magma flow out from these openings as lava, as well as volcanic ashes & gases, during volcanic eruptions.

However, the magma themselves, the molten rocks - mainly melted silica - formed either from underground MAGMA CHAMBERS, or deeper still from where crust meets the mantle.

Magma would flow vertically through the vents from the magma chamber, then out through ruptures or fissures, in which magma flow out to the surface.

the volcanoes are openings (cracks, fissures or ruptures of the Earth’s crust) and the vents.



The extrusive igneous rocks are those magma (hence lava) that have reach the surface of the crust, and then cooled and solidified either by sea water or by air.

Intrusive igneous rocks are the hot magma that have cooled and solidified while the magma are still within the magma chambers, so there are no volcanic eruptions or volcanic activities occurring during this situation.

What sorts of rocks do you think are not sediments? In what ways do they differ from rocks that are sediments?

To answer that question, rocks that are sediments are those which were moved along in a liquid substance and then apparently settled. That's how I understand something that is sediment. I cannot answer about rocks that are not sediment. Yet. I guess these rocks were not said to have moved along as in liquid.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, that’s what a volcano is.

Volcanoes are “openings” or “ruptures” of the Earth’s crust that allow magma flow out from these openings as lava, as well as volcanic ashes & gases, during volcanic eruptions.

However, the magma themselves, the molten rocks - mainly melted silica - formed either from underground MAGMA CHAMBERS, or deeper still from where crust meets the mantle.

Magma would flow vertically through the vents from the magma chamber, then out through ruptures or fissures, in which magma flow out to the surface.

the volcanoes are openings (cracks, fissures or ruptures of the Earth’s crust) and the vents.



The extrusive igneous rocks are those magma (hence lava) that have reach the surface of the crust, and then cooled and solidified either by sea water or by air.

Intrusive igneous rocks are the hot magma that have cooled and solidified while the magma are still within the magma chambers, so there are no volcanic eruptions or volcanic activities occurring during this situation.

Excuse but what do you mean that is not what a volcano is. I can be more technical I suppose but here's how I see a volcano. It is like a hole (fissure) in the ground (Earth's crust? Or almost like a mountain?) which has very very hot material in that hole. Which can erupt and overflow. I realize this description is rudimentary.

 

[YoursTrue]

It was not "rock" until it cooled. It is not formed from "pre-existing rock" as used in that definition.

I'm not even going into what material the inside(s) of volcanoes are. Although it's beginning to fascinate me. And now what's more interesting is that I read there are massive oceans way under the Earth's crust. Fascinating, I tell you, fascinating.

 

[YoursTrue]

Or it could happen at the same time. It all would depend on how much pressure was involved and where the overlying strata are the weakest. Of course both sorts of events can be dated since the important fact is that we started with magma, or molten rock. When magma forms it resets the radiometric clocks of any material that solidified when it cooled. As you know, but I doubt if @YoursTrue does, when a rock crystalizes the crystalline structure stops material from flowing in or out off the crystals themselves.

No, I didn't know that.

 

[blü 2]

I gotta minute, so here:
In 2010, Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow published a book titled The Grand Design, where Hawking states, “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist...-- Hawking’s Final Word on the Beginning.


Here's another source: Stephen Hawking says universe can create itself from nothing, but how exactly?

...and another: A Universe from Nothing - Wikipedia

My philosophical objection to a "universe from authentic nothingness" is that it postulates an event.

But an authentic nothing is a nothing that has no space or time or any other qualities ─ so no possibility of an event can be considered. Krauss's failure was of this kind ─ I'm trying to recall how he put it, but his universe was the result of pre-existing phenomena ie from something, not from nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I didn't know that.

You should by now. That fact and others have been explained to you endlessly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not even going into what material the inside(s) of volcanoes are. Although it's beginning to fascinate me. And now what's more interesting is that I read there are massive oceans way under the Earth's crust. Fascinating, I tell you, fascinating.

No, there are no oceans underneath Earth's crust. You are misunderstanding articles again.

I asked you this question before:

Do you know what drywall is?

 

[Subduction Zone]

To answer that question, rocks that are sediments are those which were moved along in a liquid substance and then apparently settled. That's how I understand something that is sediment. I cannot answer about rocks that are not sediment. Yet. I guess these rocks were not said to have moved along as in liquid.

You forgot the most important part. Rocks are pieces and bits of older rocks that have been weathered. Lava has not been weathered. When it is liquid it is not technically "rock" yet. Lava solidifies to form various types of igneous rock. Most of it is basalt. Some is andesites. Some becomes rhyolite. And some becomes obsidian. I am sure that there are other variations as well, but they are all igneous rock because they started off from a molten state.

Igneous rocks are the ultimate sources of all rocks. Lava can be weathered and redeposited, but the sort of rock that it makes depends a lot on the sort of weathering that it underwent.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, there are no oceans underneath Earth's crust. You are misunderstanding articles again.

I asked you this question before:

Do you know what drywall is?

As far as drywall goes, I only know from the interior of my apartment. Maybe. I've heard the expression.
But now about the oceans -- maybe it's just a lot of water they're talking about. MSN
So maybe you can comment on that.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, there are no oceans underneath Earth's crust. You are misunderstanding articles again.

I asked you this question before:

Do you know what drywall is?

I must not have read the question, I can't keep up with all of it -- but here is a link to an article about lots of water under the earth. (Earth's crust, that is, maybe if I used the right expression about 'crust.')

Scientists Discover Massive "Ocean" Near Earth's Core

The study confirmed something that it was only a theory, namely that ocean water accompanies subducting slabs and thus enters the transition zone.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

As far as drywall goes, I only know from the interior of my apartment. Maybe. I've heard the expression.
But now about the oceans -- maybe it's just a lot of water they're talking about. MSN
So maybe you can comment on that.

Let's talk about drywall first. Would you call it "wet"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I must not have read the question, I can't keep up with all of it -- but here is a link to an article about lots of water under the earth. (Earth's crust, that is, maybe if I used the right expression about 'crust.')

Scientists Discover Massive "Ocean" Near Earth's Core

The study confirmed something that it was only a theory, namely that ocean water accompanies subducting slabs and thus enters the transition zone.

www.ndtv.com

I am well aware of that article and also know that you did not understand it.

I am seriously trying to help you, which is why I asked you about drywall. Trust me, I know what I am doing.

 

[YoursTrue]

You forgot the most important part. Rocks are pieces and bits of older rocks that have been weathered. Lava has not been weathered. When it is liquid it is not technically "rock" yet. Lava solidifies to form various types of igneous rock. Most of it is basalt. Some is andesites. Some becomes rhyolite. And some becomes obsidian. I am sure that there are other variations as well, but they are all igneous rock because they started off from a molten state.

Igneous rocks are the ultimate sources of all rocks. Lava can be weathered and redeposited, but the sort of rock that it makes depends a lot on the sort of weathering that it underwent.

OK, so from what I glean, the inside of a volcano is what? I'll look it up but I think it's pretty steamy, to say the least. Pretty hot. I guess the heat just bubbles it over and it explodes? I am pretty sure the inside of a volcano is made of minerals. I know they say silica and other minerals maybe, but is it rock?