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Darwin's Illusion

Dan From Smithville

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Of course I was only speaking to lurking chickens.
While at work, outside between buildings, I heard a hawk (species unknown) and then crows calling from roughly the same direction. I finally found the hawk perched high in a tree, but no visual on the crows. I did see something buzzing around the hawk. It took me a moment, but it was hummingbirds. They were pestering the hawk. I expected it from crows, but I've never seen hummingbirds do this before. There were two. In my area, they would be Ruby-throated hummingbirds this time of year. It was really fascinating to see this behavior in so small a bird against so large a bird. I suspect it was a red-tailed hawk. So a bird that weighs roughly .2 oz. was pestering a bird that weighs 1.5 to 3 pounds. An approximately 120-240X difference in weight. Very impressive.
 

John53

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While at work, outside between buildings, I heard a hawk (species unknown) and then crows calling from roughly the same direction. I finally found the hawk perched high in a tree, but no visual on the crows. I did see something buzzing around the hawk. It took me a moment, but it was hummingbirds. They were pestering the hawk. I expected it from crows, but I've never seen hummingbirds do this before. There were two. In my area, they would be Ruby-throated hummingbirds this time of year. It was really fascinating to see this behavior in so small a bird against so large a bird. I suspect it was a red-tailed hawk. So a bird that weighs roughly .2 oz. was pestering a bird that weighs 1.5 to 3 pounds. An approximately 120-240X difference in weight. Very impressive.

When I stayed in California the house had a lemon tree in the backyard that the hummingbirds loved, they were super aggressive towards any other birds and even humans. It was surreal to me to be dive bombed by something the size of a large moth. We have honeyeaters here, they vary a great deal but many of them are very similar to hummingbirds. Not closely related but a good example of convergent evolution.

I read a book last year called Where Song Began by Tim Low and he went into why he thinks nectar feeders are so aggressive. I'm have trouble working out how to summarise it but he basically said the food source is so reliable and high energy they are able to devote a lot of time to defending a territory whereas other birds need to spend most of their time feeding.
 

ratiocinator

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I don't have a cat named Socrates!? Is it dead? Don't cats have nine lives?
:facepalm: Couldn't be less relevant to the validity of your attempted deduction.

People believe all sorts of things and this is my point. Some people believe you don't need experiment to show species change gradually due to survival of the fittest. Most of these people also believe you can read the fossil record in terms of the "theory". They can't imagine any other way to read the fossils.
Your ignorance of science seems to be as complete as your ignorance of logic. :rolleyes:
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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"Mortal" is still just a word that means everything that was alive has or will die. Just because every man has or will die hardly lends meaning to "mortal"
You just gave meaning to (defined) the word mortal. I'm not sure what you want from thought and language. Language works for me. I hear or read it and respond accordingly to good effect suggesting that I understood the words. I speak and write language, and others respond to good effect suggesting that they understood me. This is enough. This is plenty.
nor does it prove that all men are alike and the Socrates falls entirely within "man" and man within "mortal".
It claims as a premise that all men are alike in being mortal. It does not attempt to demonstrate that.
It's like saying all footwear is worn on the feet.
That's tautology and is not analogous.
It is also potentially misleading because socks and ankle bracelets are also worn on the feet.
Then they're footwear.
Shoes can be used as hat or game pieces in monopoly. Socks are used as mittens
The statement doesn't speak to that, so how can it be misleading there? You're looking for problems that don't exist. Language works for me. The syllogism is clear and logical. Most arguments are not circular.
It is on most levels true but devoid of real meaning because it is just presenting definitions.
Definitions give the meanings of words. They aren't arguments, but they are informative and useful - or can be.
 

cladking

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You just gave meaning to (defined) the word mortal. I'm not sure what you want from thought and language. Language works for me. I hear or read it and respond accordingly to good effect suggesting that I understood the words. I speak and write language, and others respond to good effect suggesting that they understood me. This is enough. This is plenty.

I'm not so much complaining as observing. It would be nice to have a natural language where errors of fact are "impossible" but this ship sailed 4000 years ago and that can never change. What can change is a scientific language can be invented that grossly reduces the possibility of misunderstanding in scientific subjects. Until people appreciate the nature of our language they can't see all its effects on thinking and science.

Yes, so long as we're communicating about things that are well defined and have proper terminology we can all talk about almost anything with "good effect". But this good effect hardly applies to subjects like consciousness and its impact on individuals and species. It hardly proves theory is correct because theory depends on experiment.

It claims as a premise that all men are alike in being mortal. It does not attempt to demonstrate that.

It is as wrong and has the same lack of meaning as saying "the sky is blue". Essentially all it is is a series of definitions mixed in with assumptions and dependent on language. Living things apparently invariably die so there's no reason to suspect Socrates is or should be any different.

Deduction is great and breaking reality down into little easy to manage bits is necessary. But we shouldn't conflate language and logic. Logic can not exist in any homo omnisciencis language. Just because a statement appears "logical" is no reason to believe it appears this way to other observers or even that it has meaning and relevancy.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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a scientific language can be invented that grossly reduces the possibility of misunderstanding in scientific subjects.
We have that, but it only helps the scientifically literate who learn it. The rest continue to misunderstand what scientists mean by words like theory, proof, velocity, work, observable, and reproducible. Many seem to think those last two refer to the past - that we need to reproduce abiogenesis or observe the early expansion of the universe.
this good effect hardly applies to subjects like consciousness and its impact on individuals and species.
We can develop useful language there as well. Once again, lay speech is imprecise, but clear thinkers can do better. People are all over the place with their understandings of what a belief is, what a feeling is, what free will means, what spiritual means, etc..
It is as wrong and has the same lack of meaning as saying "the sky is blue"
That sentence has meaning to me. So are our oceans, and for a related reason. Look at the sky and tell me what color you see. Look at picture of earth from space and tell me what color you see. On Mars, the sky is red. On the moon, it's black. Those are all correct statements meaning that they can be used to successfully predict outcomes.
Living things apparently invariably die so there's no reason to suspect Socrates is or should be any different.
Agreed. What's your point? Do you think you didn't communicate there or weren't clear? You were quite clear, and you were correct. You've essentially restated the syllogism, but expanded men to all living things, and reworded mortal as will "invariably die" : All living things die, Socrates is (or was) alive, therefore Socrates will (or did) die.
Logic can not exist in any homo omnisciencis language. Just because a statement appears "logical" is no reason to believe it appears this way to other observers or even that it has meaning and relevancy.
You keep coming back to the shortcomings and deficiencies of some as evidence for your argument that language is not an effective way to communicate. I realize that many people can't see the soundness of many arguments presented to them, but that's irrelevant to the matter of whether those arguments contain valid reasoning.
 

cladking

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Definitions give the meanings of words. They aren't arguments, but they are informative and useful - or can be.

I shouldda warned you I wasn't done with your post. I had an unexpected minor emergency.

This is the chief problem with language. Definitions not only evolve over time but everyone has a different definition for every word. Every word has an infinite number of definitions and connotations so all communication is ephemeral ands metaphysical. This time I mean "metaphysical" in its magical definition. Because definitions vary we must parse every utterance in real time to force it to make meaning. This meaning is never exactly what the author intended. Few people even realize they are doing it but each of us learn this as the chief part of language acquisition. Is is not a natural language to need to differentiate between "two", "to", "too", and "Tim Buck too". We do it to communicate and in doing so we lose the ability to use the natural human language.

Our words have no "meaning", only definitions. Meaning is created when the words are formatted grammatically in a sentence. In every natural language saying or reasoning to Socrates being mortal is a mere redundancy because the logic is in the grammar.

But this all is not the chief reason we use circular logic but it's more akin to the circular railroad that we follow with our one dimensional thought. The chief reason we are "homo circularis rationatio" is that we do not directly observe reality like all other consciousness. Rather we compare our senses to what we believe. Much of what we believe derives directly from language rather than experiment or experience. But it's the way we think that leads every member of the species for 4,000 years we've been here to believe he knows everything.
 

cladking

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We have that, but it only helps the scientifically literate who learn it. The rest continue to misunderstand what scientists mean by words like theory, proof, velocity, work, observable, and reproducible. Many seem to think those last two refer to the past - that we need to reproduce abiogenesis or observe the early expansion of the universe.

There is a scientific language but it is neither formal nor standard. Few people can make heads or tails of things written even a century ago.

And I'm telling you straight out that all theory is founded in "experiment" and science changes one funeral at a time BECAUSE all evidence is interpreted according to the set of beliefs of the observer. How can this not be obvious.

People are all over the place with their understandings of what a belief is, what a feeling is, what free will means, what spiritual means, etc..

Yes. They are. But I am not. I believe I have adequate scientific definitions for these terms which can serve as a template for study of the phenomena.

That sentence has meaning to me. So are our oceans, and for a related reason. Look at the sky and tell me what color you see. Look at picture of earth from space and tell me what color you see. On Mars, the sky is red. On the moon, it's black. Those are all correct statements meaning that they can be used to successfully predict outcomes.

Language leads to strange ideas. If the sky is blue then there is no sky on the moon because it lacks sufficient atmosphere to affect color. But the sky isn't blue. It's white, gray or orange and some even say it's black at night. All these things are just language confusing our interpretation of the reality. People say things like Apollo orbited the moon but the reality is Apollo and the moon orbited one another. Simultaneously the center of gravity of the Apollo/ Moon system orbited the center of gravity of the moon/ earth system. All of reality was involved just as all of reality colors our sky and not some hackneyed idea that the sky is blue.

It's all the same with species You can't reduce the complexity of life and how it changes to a soundbite. And as I continually maintain you can't reduce the complexity without understanding consciousness which is the cause of most or all speciation.

Everything in reality is always changing. Why would anyone expect an abstraction like "species" to remain the same? You can't define the causes of change in species without knowing how it fits in its niche and herein is a leading cause of change; niches change. They don't change gradually as is imagined but rather suddenly like introducing carnivores to an island that had had none. This is the nature of reality. You can't step into the same river twice and normally when a river makes a course change it is massive. One minute all the water in running in its channel and the next it is flowing over dozens of prairie dog colonies. Nature simply doesn't work the way Darwin and most of his followers believe.

Most people want to consider one fact and one experiment at a time but all facts, all knowledge, all experiment applies to all of reality all of the time.
 

Dan From Smithville

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We have that, but it only helps the scientifically literate who learn it. The rest continue to misunderstand what scientists mean by words like theory, proof, velocity, work, observable, and reproducible. Many seem to think those last two refer to the past - that we need to reproduce abiogenesis or observe the early expansion of the universe.

We can develop useful language there as well. Once again, lay speech is imprecise, but clear thinkers can do better. People are all over the place with their understandings of what a belief is, what a feeling is, what free will means, what spiritual means, etc..

That sentence has meaning to me. So are our oceans, and for a related reason. Look at the sky and tell me what color you see. Look at picture of earth from space and tell me what color you see. On Mars, the sky is red. On the moon, it's black. Those are all correct statements meaning that they can be used to successfully predict outcomes.

Agreed. What's your point? Do you think you didn't communicate there or weren't clear? You were quite clear, and you were correct. You've essentially restated the syllogism, but expanded men to all living things, and reworded mortal as will "invariably die" : All living things die, Socrates is (or was) alive, therefore Socrates will (or did) die.

You keep coming back to the shortcomings and deficiencies of some as evidence for your argument that language is not an effective way to communicate. I realize that many people can't see the soundness of many arguments presented to them, but that's irrelevant to the matter of whether those arguments contain valid reasoning.
For instance, the definition of the term bottleneck describes an event that drastically reduces the size of a population. Often with a concomitant reduction in genetic diversity.

The term is not defined as nor does it describe a speciation event with a baseless mechanism that is unsupported by observation or experiment.

It is ironic to see the language intentionally butchered and declared it doesn't exist or is misused.

Survival of the fittest is a very poor and practically useless definition for natural selection.

There have been numerous such examples of irrational and baseless redefinition on this thread and elsewhere. I can't imagine, with the access to information available these days, how someone couldn't find the proper definitions of these technical terms.

I agree, the effort in science and the fruit of that effort is to provide a consistent vocabulary and definitions of terminology.
 

Dan From Smithville

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When I stayed in California the house had a lemon tree in the backyard that the hummingbirds loved, they were super aggressive towards any other birds and even humans. It was surreal to me to be dive bombed by something the size of a large moth. We have honeyeaters here, they vary a great deal but many of them are very similar to hummingbirds. Not closely related but a good example of convergent evolution.

I read a book last year called Where Song Began by Tim Low and he went into why he thinks nectar feeders are so aggressive. I'm have trouble working out how to summarise it but he basically said the food source is so reliable and high energy they are able to devote a lot of time to defending a territory whereas other birds need to spend most of their time feeding.
Interesting. It does make sense that resource demands would impact behavior. I can think of a number of analogies to that behavior that apply to other aspects of biology and human culture.
 

cladking

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There have been numerous such examples of irrational and baseless redefinition on this thread and elsewhere. I can't imagine, with the access to information available these days, how someone couldn't find the proper definitions of these technical terms.

Should I define "metaphysics" again (basis of science)?
 

cladking

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The term is not defined as nor does it describe a speciation event with a baseless mechanism that is unsupported by observation or experiment.
"Bottleneck" is irrelevant. Until some darwinian insisted I always used the term "near extinction" as in most speciation occurs at near extinction events.
 

cladking

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Survival of the fittest is a very poor and practically useless definition for natural selection.

Darwin liked it and it still is the root meaning of "natural selection". Most believers thing that natural selection favors the most fit. Of course I'm no believer and I don't know what styles are in fashion.
 

shunyadragon

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Darwin liked it and it still is the root meaning of "natural selection". Most believers thing that natural selection favors the most fit. Of course I'm no believer and I don't know what styles are in fashion.

The concept of 'natural selection' still remains in general the response of populations to adapt to a changing environment. Though the concept has changed somewhat since Darwin proposed the Theory of Evolution. The science of Genetics was lacking when Darwin proposed the Theory now called the sciences of evolution. The following reflects a more contemporary view of some aspects of evolution and an interesting read concerning misunderstand among many that evolution is driven by 'random mutations.' Changing environments is the driving force behind evolution, and randomness has no role in the nature of our physical existence. Chaos theory and the fractal nature of the outcomes of cause and effect events is how things operate in our universe within the limits of Natural Laws.

By the way the sciences of evolution are not 'beliefs.'


Since 1859, when Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species was first published, the theory of natural selection has dominated our conceptions of evolution. As Darwin understood it, natural selection is a slow and gradual process that takes place across multiple generations through successive random hereditary variations. In the short term, a small variation might confer a slight advantage to an organism and its offspring, such as a longer beak or better camouflage, allowing it to outcompete similar organisms lacking that variation. Over longer periods of time, Darwin postulated, an accumulation of advantageous variations might produce more significant novel adaptations – or even the emergence of an entirely new species.

Natural selection is not a fast process. It takes place gradually through random variations, or ‘mutations’ as we call them today, which accumulate over decades, centuries, or millions of years. Initially, Darwin believed that natural selection was the only process that led to evolution, and he made this explicit in On the Origin of Species:

If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case.
A lot has changed since 1859. We now know that Darwin’s ‘gradualist’ view of evolution, exclusively driven by natural selection, is no longer compatible with contemporary science. It’s not just that random mutations are one of many evolutionary processes that produce new species; they have nothing to do with the major evolutionary transformations of macroevolution. Species do not emerge from an accumulation of random genetic changes. This has been confirmed by 21st-century genome sequencing, but the idea that natural selection inadequately explains evolutionary change goes back 151 years – to Darwin himself. In the 6th edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1872, he acknowledged forms of variations that seemed to arise spontaneously, without successive, slight modifications:

It appears that I formerly underrated the frequency and value of these latter forms of variation, as leading to permanent modifications of structure independently of natural selection.
from Chapter 15, p395, emphasis added
Today, we know in exquisite detail how these larger-scale ‘spontaneous’ variations come about without the intervention of random mutations. And yet, even in the age of genome sequencing, many evolutionary scientists still cling stubbornly to a view of evolution fuelled by a gradual accumulation of random mutations. They insist on the accuracy of the mid-20th-century ‘updated’ version of Darwin’s ideas – the ‘Modern Synthesis’ of Darwinian evolution (through natural selection) and Mendelian genetics – and have consistently failed to integrate evidence for other genetic processes. As Ernst Mayr, a major figure in the Modern Synthesis, wrote in Populations, Species and Evolution (1970):

The proponents of the synthetic theory maintain that all evolution is due to the accumulation of small genetic changes, guided by natural selection, and that transpecific evolution [ie, the origins of new species and taxonomic groups] is nothing but an extrapolation and magnification of the events that take place within populations and species.
This failure to take account of alternative modes of change has been foundational to popular and scientific misconceptions of evolution. It continues to impact the study of antibiotic and pesticide resistance, the breeding of new crops for agriculture, the mitigation of climate change, and our understanding of humanity’s impacts on biodiversity.

Discoveries like hers should have inspired a radical rethinking of evolution

During the past century, discoveries that have challenged the gradualist view of evolution have been sidelined, forgotten, and derided. This includes the work of 20th-century geneticists such as Hugo de Vries, one of the rediscoverers of Mendelian genetics and the man who gave us the term ‘mutation’, or Richard Goldschmidt, who distinguished between microevolution (change within a species) and macroevolution (changes leading to new species). Their findings were ignored or ridiculed to convey the message that the gradual accumulation of random mutations was the only reasonable explanation for evolution. We can see the absence of other perspectives in popular works by Richard Dawkins, such as The Selfish Gene (1976), The Extended Phenotype (1982), and The Blind Watchmaker (1986); or in textbooks used in universities across the world, such as Evolution (2017) by Douglas Futuyma and Mark Kirkpatrick. However, it’s an absence that’s particularly conspicuous because alternatives to random mutation have not been difficult to find.

One of the most significant of these alternatives is symbiogenesis, the idea that evolution can operate through symbiotic relationships rather than through gradual, successive changes. In the early 20th century, American and Russian scientists such as Konstantin Mereschkowsky, Ivan Wallin and Boris Kozo-Polyansky argued that symbiotic cell fusions had led to the deepest kinds of evolutionary change: the origins of all cells with a nucleus. These arguments about symbiotic cell fusions, despite being vigorously championed by the evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis in later years, did not find a place in evolutionary textbooks until they were confirmed by DNA sequencing at the end of the 20th century. And yet, even though these arguments have now been confirmed, the underlying cellular processes of symbiotic cell fusions have still not been incorporated into mainstream evolutionary theory.

An interesting read more . . .
 
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Dan From Smithville

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We have that, but it only helps the scientifically literate who learn it. The rest continue to misunderstand what scientists mean by words like theory, proof, velocity, work, observable, and reproducible. Many seem to think those last two refer to the past - that we need to reproduce abiogenesis or observe the early expansion of the universe.

We can develop useful language there as well. Once again, lay speech is imprecise, but clear thinkers can do better. People are all over the place with their understandings of what a belief is, what a feeling is, what free will means, what spiritual means, etc..

That sentence has meaning to me. So are our oceans, and for a related reason. Look at the sky and tell me what color you see. Look at picture of earth from space and tell me what color you see. On Mars, the sky is red. On the moon, it's black. Those are all correct statements meaning that they can be used to successfully predict outcomes.

Agreed. What's your point? Do you think you didn't communicate there or weren't clear? You were quite clear, and you were correct. You've essentially restated the syllogism, but expanded men to all living things, and reworded mortal as will "invariably die" : All living things die, Socrates is (or was) alive, therefore Socrates will (or did) die.

You keep coming back to the shortcomings and deficiencies of some as evidence for your argument that language is not an effective way to communicate. I realize that many people can't see the soundness of many arguments presented to them, but that's irrelevant to the matter of whether those arguments contain valid reasoning.
I would conclude on the evidence that language is a very effective means of communication. Especially with those intent on being understood and in understanding others. In both a figurative and sadly literal sense, I cannot speak to those that profess to know everything and nothing and seem to have closed their minds to others and to learning.

Language isn't perfect, but in science there is a concerted effort to provide consistent and inclusive definitions. Definitions that are not so broad to become meaningless nor so exclusive that they miss examples that would fall reasonably within in the scope of the definition.

I won't bother discussing this with those that make up their own vocabulary and redefine terms to fit their belief system. All the evidence to date indicates it is a wasted effort to try and persuade a belief-based thinker or those in love with a See and Say Science to step outside the box, leaving their beliefs intact, but behind, and consider where the evidence takes us.
 

Dan From Smithville

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The concept of 'natural selection' still remains in general the response of populations to adapt to a changing environment. Though the concept has changed somewhat since Darwin proposed the Theory of Evolution. The science of Genetics was lacking when Darwin proposed the Theory now called the sciences of evolution. The following reflects a more contemporary view of some aspects of evolution and n interesting read concerning misunderstand among many that evolution is driven by 'random mutations.' Changing environments is the driving force behind evolution, and randomness has no role in the nature of our physical existence. Chaos theory and the fractal nature of of the outcomes of cause and effect events i. how things operate in our universe within th elimits of Natural Laws.

By the way the sciences of evolution are not 'beliefs.'


Since 1859, when Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species was first published, the theory of natural selection has dominated our conceptions of evolution. As Darwin understood it, natural selection is a slow and gradual process that takes place across multiple generations through successive random hereditary variations. In the short term, a small variation might confer a slight advantage to an organism and its offspring, such as a longer beak or better camouflage, allowing it to outcompete similar organisms lacking that variation. Over longer periods of time, Darwin postulated, an accumulation of advantageous variations might produce more significant novel adaptations – or even the emergence of an entirely new species.

Natural selection is not a fast process. It takes place gradually through random variations, or ‘mutations’ as we call them today, which accumulate over decades, centuries, or millions of years. Initially, Darwin believed that natural selection was the only process that led to evolution, and he made this explicit in On the Origin of Species:


A lot has changed since 1859. We now know that Darwin’s ‘gradualist’ view of evolution, exclusively driven by natural selection, is no longer compatible with contemporary science. It’s not just that random mutations are one of many evolutionary processes that produce new species; they have nothing to do with the major evolutionary transformations of macroevolution. Species do not emerge from an accumulation of random genetic changes. This has been confirmed by 21st-century genome sequencing, but the idea that natural selection inadequately explains evolutionary change goes back 151 years – to Darwin himself. In the 6th edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1872, he acknowledged forms of variations that seemed to arise spontaneously, without successive, slight modifications:


Today, we know in exquisite detail how these larger-scale ‘spontaneous’ variations come about without the intervention of random mutations. And yet, even in the age of genome sequencing, many evolutionary scientists still cling stubbornly to a view of evolution fuelled by a gradual accumulation of random mutations. They insist on the accuracy of the mid-20th-century ‘updated’ version of Darwin’s ideas – the ‘Modern Synthesis’ of Darwinian evolution (through natural selection) and Mendelian genetics – and have consistently failed to integrate evidence for other genetic processes. As Ernst Mayr, a major figure in the Modern Synthesis, wrote in Populations, Species and Evolution (1970):


This failure to take account of alternative modes of change has been foundational to popular and scientific misconceptions of evolution. It continues to impact the study of antibiotic and pesticide resistance, the breeding of new crops for agriculture, the mitigation of climate change, and our understanding of humanity’s impacts on biodiversity.

Discoveries like hers should have inspired a radical rethinking of evolution

During the past century, discoveries that have challenged the gradualist view of evolution have been sidelined, forgotten, and derided. This includes the work of 20th-century geneticists such as Hugo de Vries, one of the rediscoverers of Mendelian genetics and the man who gave us the term ‘mutation’, or Richard Goldschmidt, who distinguished between microevolution (change within a species) and macroevolution (changes leading to new species). Their findings were ignored or ridiculed to convey the message that the gradual accumulation of random mutations was the only reasonable explanation for evolution. We can see the absence of other perspectives in popular works by Richard Dawkins, such as The Selfish Gene (1976), The Extended Phenotype (1982), and The Blind Watchmaker (1986); or in textbooks used in universities across the world, such as Evolution (2017) by Douglas Futuyma and Mark Kirkpatrick. However, it’s an absence that’s particularly conspicuous because alternatives to random mutation have not been difficult to find.

One of the most significant of these alternatives is symbiogenesis, the idea that evolution can operate through symbiotic relationships rather than through gradual, successive changes. In the early 20th century, American and Russian scientists such as Konstantin Mereschkowsky, Ivan Wallin and Boris Kozo-Polyansky argued that symbiotic cell fusions had led to the deepest kinds of evolutionary change: the origins of all cells with a nucleus. These arguments about symbiotic cell fusions, despite being vigorously championed by the evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis in later years, did not find a place in evolutionary textbooks until they were confirmed by DNA sequencing at the end of the 20th century. And yet, even though these arguments have now been confirmed, the underlying cellular processes of symbiotic cell fusions have still not been incorporated into mainstream evolutionary theory.

An interesting read more . . .
Are these your words or are you quoting a long tract?

It is very interesting, but I disagree that some of these examples are ignored. There is a lot of research on transposable elements--McClintock's jumping genes--including research on this mechanism in evolution. It wouldn't be an alternative to evolution, but a mechanism for it. Epigenetics is another that remains of interest to evolutionary biologists and work to facilitate plant breeding is ongoing with efforts to find new varieties through this mechanism.

Natural selection acts on heritable variation that can arise for many reasons, but mutations remain the most significant known source of variation. Other sources would include variation from symbiogenesis, transposable elements, horizontal gene transfer, epigenesis, immigration and drift.

One claim that remains unsustained is Shapiro's idea of directed mutation where the genome anticipates the environment. Examples of this phenomenon have turned out to be misinterpreted natural selection.

Still, a very interesting read. Thanks for posting.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Darwin liked it and it still is the root meaning of "natural selection". Most believers thing that natural selection favors the most fit. Of course I'm no believer and I don't know what styles are in fashion.
It seems to me that survival of the fittest refers to those who adapt to their environment and keep living while other species similar to them do not adapt, therefore the species does not survive.
 
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