Darwin's Illusion

[Subduction Zone]

Has anyone here on the evolutionist side said what creationism is yet? If so maybe I missed it and perhaps the kind evolution part of the body's brain can impel a believer in the theory of evolution to provide an answer.

I did. You seem to have forgotten, though you did respond to my answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good going! Except it doesn't mean eternal torture while conscious. Try again. Maybe others who go to church, claim to be Christian now can let you know how this fits in with evolution if they applaud the theory as if it's true.

Right, it says it in black and white. And you are the one that brought up this topic. Denial is not a refutation. Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Speaking of cruelty, and yes I know I said one post at a time and I'm breaking the rules slightly but sticking to the subject, ok...is the opposite of eternal life the opposite of eternal punishment? There's eternal life and there's kind of like the opposite, eternal punishment.

Well there is a non sequitur. What does that matter? There is no requirement that the outcome of a sentence has to be the literal opposite of the other possible sentence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except it may be adaptation but we don't know. But again, the fossil record is not proof.

Thank you for admitting that you are wrong again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree there is nothing beyond the fossils that are used to show the intermediate biological cellular process. That is one reason I will not accept the theory as thought of by many. You phrased it better than I could.

No, he actually appears to be openly lying since examples of exactly what he demands has been give to him.

Oh wait a second. Now you want to see it on a cellular level. That is an insane demand. I would be equally justified in saying that your birth certificate is not yours since there is no evidence on the cellular level that you are that person.

 

[Soandso]

That is not testing the process claimed of evolution.

Yes it is, or at least it's one of the many ways of testing. If the theory was incorrect, they wouldn't be able to predict that specific fossils could be found in specific locations at specific strata - especially when we are talking about locating fossils that we only suspect exist but that have never been found before

We are talking about a scenario not too different from modern forensic science. A forensic scientist can't sit there and watch the murder happen - he has to figure out what happened by following the evidence left behind. He can even make predictions about the killer based on what evidence was uncovered at the crime scene, such as what car the murderer drives, or what shoes he has

Same thing here. Predictive power is an element that demonstrates good science and serves as strong evidence for it's validity

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes it is, or at least it's one of the many ways of testing. If the theory was incorrect, they wouldn't be able to predict that specific fossils could be found in specific locations at specific strata - especially when we are talking about locating fossils that we only suspect exist but that have never been found before

We are talking about a scenario not too different from modern forensic science. A forensic scientist can't sit there and watch the murder happen - he has to figure out what happened by following the evidence left behind. He can even make predictions about the killer based on what evidence was uncovered at the crime scene, such as what car the murderer drives, or what shoes he has

Same thing here. Predictive power is an element that demonstrates good science and serves as strong evidence for it's validity

Based on what you were saying, figuring where a fossil may be found because of date testing does not verify evolution. I'm really not sure what exactly you are alluding to regarding that.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, he actually appears to be openly lying since examples of exactly what he demands has been give to him.

Oh wait a second. Now you want to see it on a cellular level. That is an insane demand. I would be equally justified in saying that your birth certificate is not yours since there is no evidence on the cellular level that you are that person.

OK, whatever -- no matter -- now it's insane you say to ask for evidence of evolution on a cellular level. That's ok. Based on your responses and considerations on various subjects, I'm likely to say goodbye for a while. I hope the best for all of you.

 

[Soandso]

Based on what you were saying, figuring where a fossil may be found because of date testing does not verify evolution. I'm really not sure what exactly you are alluding to regarding that.

Well, a lot of factors have to allign in order for that exact fossil to be found in that exact spot - especially if we are talking about making a prediction of a fossil that we have never seen before based on how we suspect evolution took place. If things didn't evolve into other things, they wouldn't be able to find a missing link on the strata between where those two different fossils were found

If things didn't mutate into other things over time, we wouldn't keep finding these missing links in predictable and consistent places, seems to me

 

[Subduction Zone]

Based on what you were saying, figuring where a fossil may be found because of date testing does not verify evolution. I'm really not sure what exactly you are alluding to regarding that.

The proper term is "confirm". And it does do that. You keep repeating the same errors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, whatever -- no matter -- now it's insane you say to ask for evidence of evolution on a cellular level. That's ok. Based on your responses and considerations on various subjects, I'm likely to say goodbye for a while. I hope the best for all of you.

No, that is not what I said. We have plenty of evidence on the cellular level. You wanted fossil evidence of that. Fossils do not preserve down to that level well enough to observe evolutionary change at the cellular level. You are now complaining that a hammer does not work as a screwdriver or a wrench.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, a lot of factors have to allign in order for that exact fossil to be found in that exact spot - especially if we are talking about making a prediction of a fossil that we have never seen before based on how we suspect evolution took place. If things didn't evolve into other things, they wouldn't be able to find a missing link on the strata between where those two different fossils were found

If things didn't mutate into other things over time, we wouldn't keep finding these missing links in predictable and consistent places, seems to me

I have no idea what you're saying. I will say this, however. I may keep reading some of the comments.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, that is not what I said. We have plenty of evidence on the cellular level. You wanted fossil evidence of that. Fossils do not preserve down to that level well enough to observe evolutionary change at the cellular level. You are now complaining that a hammer does not work as a screwdriver or a wrench.

You know what? It's all ok. I may keep reading the comments, hope you're all well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know what? It's all ok. I may keep reading the comments, hope you're all well.

My apologies. I did think of an example after I posted. We do have evidence on the cellular level for evolution. The evolution of coccolithophores can be observed and that is always on a cellular level:

Coccolith - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[metis]

"Evolution" is just plain old common sense as all material forms change in some ways over time, and genes are material forms. Also, there's not one shred of evidence that logically has it that the evolution of life forms miraculously stops at some point, unless some species were to go extinct of course.

Again, for the millionth time, the ToE does not in any way negate "Divine creation".

 

[cladking]

Paleontologists can make predictions, for instance, on where specific kinds of fossils can be found at specific places at specific stratum based on where and when they think this animal could have lived according to the combination of the geological and the fossil record

Even the worst theories can make accurate predictions. If two surgeons operated on two patients with similar injuries in 1865 and one stopped to wash his hands as his patient bled to death while the other lived to later die of infections everyone could clearly see the first surgeon was a fool and the second had a patient who just wasn't fit enough. Anyone could have predicted the outcome with sufficient experience and expertise.

This is the nature of reality and our understanding of it. We see what we expect. Foolishly many take the understanding of Peers as the final word in all things.

 

[cladking]

You have been given examples, but then you dismiss them of them as being only adaptation. Sorry, but you cannot have it both ways.

Darwin's "theories" do not explain all the observation and experiment. It spins off anomalies like a drill bit spins off sawdust.

 

[cladking]

I was thinking about this in the restaurant bathroom when I washed my hands. That particular restaurant has paper towels rather than that tough blower that might spread germs all around so I was appreciative of that. I need to compliment the management but probably after I do they'll switch to those bursting air blowers.

The blowers are getting less popular. I've never used one.

One of the biggest problems with them for me is that after you get your hands clean and dry how do you get out of the room?

 

[cladking]

The blowers are getting less popular. I've never used one.

One of the biggest problems with them for me is that after you get your hands clean and dry how do you get out of the room?

Ironically Semmelweis et al did not know about germs but ancient people did. They exhorted people to sneeze onto the ground where the germs were "harmless" rather than to use a cloth and diffuse the germs into the air for everyone.

We're still as stupid as we were in the 1860's.

 

[cladking]

I would like to extend my thanks to the lurkers for their support.

I think the average post is down to being read by only about 20 people now due to the deterioration of the quality of the thread.