Darwin's Illusion

[YoursTrue]

Probably an underwater thermal vent.

"Hydrothermal Origins

The unique environment of hydrothermal vents allows for some natural chemical reactions that can produce molecules that may have played a role in the formation of the first living cells on Earth."

But, of course, neither you nor any human knows. Some may guess, but they don't know. Thanks for your conjecture though, guessed at by some scientists. By the way, do you know if hydrothermal vents are still producing chemical reactions that scientists have currently observed playing a role in the formation of live cells?

 

[YoursTrue]

Bible still explains nothing about life.

As I keep telling you, explanations required detailed information, otherwise (A) they are just matter of opinions, or (B) they are useless descriptions.

it is B for the Bible, and from your interpretation of the Bible, it is both A & B.

It doesn't explain cell structure, that's true. But then the Bible is not a science textbook. Things change in science anyway. What was considered true not that long ago is no longer taken as true.

Bible still explains nothing about life.

As I keep telling you, explanations required detailed information, otherwise (A) they are just matter of opinions, or (B) they are useless descriptions.

it is B for the Bible, and from your interpretation of the Bible, it is both A & B.

I know our opinions and/or outlooks differ. I do believe the Bible explains a great deal about life. Not cell structure. What it says about life for me is wonderful. Not a fairytale but something helpful, real and true. I go to doctors when I think it's necessary.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You sure it was cellular?

Yes, they are sure. Did you have a scientific source that says something else?

 

[Audie]

Yes, they are sure. Did you have a scientific source that says something else?

You have something that specifies
that no less than a cell can be alive?

That is used as a creationist argument.

 

[cladking]

No, scientists use testable models.

No....

Models are results of experiment made by every individual scientist and differ.

Scientists use logic and evidence to create testable hypotheses and ONLY experiment is the means to test them.

How do people keep getting such fundamental concepts so wrong? I believe it is because the desire to believe in Darwin is so strong. Everyone wants to believe that nature wants the fittest to survive so we can all march hand in hand to a glorious and ever fitter future.

Life is already fit enough and has been since long before Darwin was born. Life is cooperation not competition.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No....

Models are results of experiment made by every individual scientist and differ.

Scientists use logic and evidence to create testable hypotheses and ONLY experiment is the means to test them.

How do people keep getting such fundamental concepts so wrong? I believe it is because the desire to believe in Darwin is so strong. Everyone wants to believe that nature wants the fittest to survive so we can all march hand in hand to a glorious and ever fitter future.

Life is already fit enough and has been since long before Darwin was born. Life is cooperation not competition.

You once again demonstrate your scientific illiteracy. Hypotheses are models, well to be more specific, after a hypothesis has been tested and confirmed it is both a model and a hypothesis. And far more hypotheses fail than succeed. But we almost never hear of the failures. We tend to hear only of the hypotheses that at least pass their first tests. Or in other words, models

This article may help:

The Scientific Method – Hypotheses, Models, Theories, and Laws

Testing a hypothesis can lead to two things: the hypothesis is confirmed or the hypothesis is rejected, if rejected a new hypothesis has to be created

bscdesigner.com

 

[metis]

Life is cooperation not competition.

It's clearly both.

 

[cladking]

It's clearly both.

Of course there is some competition and this is especially true within species and as related to sexual concerns. But life cooperates to fill every niche and to maximize the total amount of life in every place. In the big picture life is about cooperation though as you say there is a lot of competition as well. Species "compete" for food but just like birds of a feather taking turns at your feeder there is plenty to go around. When the jays are on the feeder the cardinals are on the hostas. It all gets eaten and nothing truly goes to waste.

Most of what men do goes to waste but homo omnisciencis is the odd man out. We are out of step with nature and don't even understand the concept of "consciousness". To us nature looks like survival of the fittest, competition, and death itself because of the way we think. In order to attempt communication with so much knowledge we must use abstraction and think differently than every other individual in nature.

Yes, competition exists and is important but it is not a defining characteristic of "life" but rather the nature of individual consciousness.

 

[The Hammer]

But, of course, neither you nor any human knows. Some may guess, but they don't know. Thanks for your conjecture though, guessed at by some scientists. By the way, do you know if hydrothermal vents are still producing chemical reactions that scientists have currently observed playing a role in the formation of live cells?

Probably. Those vents are filled with lots of life and unique organisms. But I'm not knowledgeable about all aspects of science. Just like you know nothing about my religion.

Also, whether it was observed currently or not doesn't mean it did not happen in the past or that the Many Gods did it.

Not sure why you think the answer "I don't know" means it must be "God" (at least that's what your posts imply).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You have something that specifies
that no less than a cell can be alive?

That is used as a creationist argument.

I am not a creationist. I'm simply reporting what the experts in science tell us.

 

[YoursTrue]

Probably. Those vents are filled with lots of life and unique organisms. But I'm not knowledgeable about all aspects of science. Just like you know nothing about my religion.

Also, whether it was observed currently or not doesn't mean it did not happen in the past or that the Many Gods did it.

Not sure why you think the answer "I don't know" means it must be "God" (at least that's what your posts imply).

I didn't say if something is not known it must therefore be God. Perhaps we can discuss that at length another time.

 

[The Hammer]

I didn't say if something is not known it must therefore be God. Perhaps we can discuss that at length another time.

Probably not

 

[YoursTrue]

Probably. Those vents are filled with lots of life and unique organisms. But I'm not knowledgeable about all aspects of science. Just like you know nothing about my religion.

Also, whether it was observed currently or not doesn't mean it did not happen in the past or that the Many Gods did it.

Not sure why you think the answer "I don't know" means it must be "God" (at least that's what your posts imply).

I don't think all esteemed scientists think life began (somehow) maybe in thermal vents. Perhaps this? https://www.science.org/content/article/how-ancient-cataclysm-may-have-jump-started-life-earth

 

[YoursTrue]

Probably not

Probably true about that.

 

[The Hammer]

I don't think all esteemed scientists think life began (somehow) maybe in thermal vents. Perhaps this? https://www.science.org/content/article/how-ancient-cataclysm-may-have-jump-started-life-earth

It's not the only origin no. There are many hypotheses about the origin. I think it was probably multiple events in rapid succession.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's not the only origin no. There are many hypotheses about the origin. I think it was probably multiple events in rapid succession.

As said, no one among scientists know. Thanks.

 

[The Hammer]

As said, no one among scientists know. Thanks.

Neither does any religion. But thanks for letting me know.

 

[YoursTrue]

Probably true about that.

Meaning it is unlikely that we will ever discuss your view of many gods, if I understand you correctly.

 

[YoursTrue]

Neither does any religion. But thanks for letting me know.

Not necessarily. But you take care, thanks for offering one or two of various aspects of consideration of scientific conjecture about how you think life may have gotten started.

 

[The Hammer]

Not necessarily. But you take care, thanks for offering one or two of various aspects of consideration of scientific conjecture about how you think life may have gotten started.

Absolutely, it's all anyone haas to offer. Even God wouldn't give me a straight answer when I asked.