Dealing with demons/evil spirits....

[Orias]

Then I misunderstood this:

Can you rephrase it?
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It is what it is, do unto others as they do unto you

 

[Quagmire]

It is what it is, do unto others as they do unto you

Ah. We may have different definitions of demons then.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Or feed it something it can't stomach.

That as well.

 

[Orias]

Ah. We may have different definitions of demons then.

How so?

 

[Quagmire]

How so?

Well, I'll go ahead and explain my whole min-cosmology when it comes to demons then:

In psychology, the term "demon" refers to exactly the same thing the term is meant to refer to in theology or in any popular usage: an unseen, destructive, influence that the victim has no immediate control over, but that rather controls the victim or at least attempts to.

And, according to what I believe, it makes no difference whether we're talking about an actual, independent entity or just a part of the victims own mind in that the modus operandi is the same and the results are the same:

Either way, they attempt to gain control over the victim either though intimidation, temptation, or despair.

They also operate in the same way in that they tend to offer the victim everything on credit, and the bill always turns out to be way more than the victim thought he was signing up for (his "soul", ie., everything that defines and comprises who he is, in many cases)

Addiction being one of the more obvious examples.

 

[Orias]

Well, I'll go ahead and explain my whole min-cosmology when it comes to demons then:

In psychology, the term "demon" refers to exactly the same thing the term is meant to refer to in theology or in any popular usage: an unseen, destructive, influence that the victim has no immediate control over, but that rather controls the victim or at least attempts to.

And, according to what I believe, it makes no difference whether we're talking about an actual, independent entity or just a part of the victims own mind in that the modus operandi is the same and the results are the same:

Either way, they attempt to gain control over the victim either though intimidation, temptation, or despair.

They also operate in the same way in that they tend to offer the victim everything on credit, and the bill always turns out to be way more than the victim thought he was signing up for (his "soul", ie., everything that defines and comprises who he is, in many cases)

Addiction being one of the more obvious examples.

I do not disagree, though some of them do posses honesty.

 

[Quagmire]

I do not disagree, though some of them do posses honesty.

Oh there's always some element of unwelcome honesty involved, something the victim doesn't want to face or isn't ready or equipped to. :yes:

The demon can (and does) use that as leverage too.

This is exactly why facing one's demons is such a powerful and productive first step (he's holding some of the victims answers hostage).

 

[blackout]

This is an old thread,
but the discussion is an interesting one.

In my own experience
the best thing we can do
with our "demons" manifest,
is simply observe them.
Don't fear them,
don't avoid them,
don't 'fight' them,
don't 'revile', threaten, command or castigate them.
just watch them.

They are there to show you something
about yourSelf.

They are after all.... Your demons.

 

[Orias]

Oh there's always some element of unwelcome honesty involved, something the victim doesn't want to face or isn't ready or equipped to. :yes:

The demon can (and does) use that as leverage too.

This is exactly why facing one's demons is such a powerful and productive first step (he's holding some of the victims answers hostage).

Mhmm, others become them

 

[Orias]

This is an old thread,
but the discussion is an interesting one.

In my own experience
the best thing we can do
with our "demons" manifest,
is simply observe them.
Don't fear them,
don't avoid them,
don't 'fight' them,
don't 'revile', threaten, command or castigate them.
just watch them.

They are there to show you something
about yourSelf.

They are after all.... YOUR 'demons'.

Exactly

 

[blackout]

There are unspiritual things as well as spiritual things. It's hard to not eventually encounter such things as a mystic. I prefer to call them "(spiritual) fleas" rather than "demons", given the power attributed to "demons" by people who think these things have a leader and their leader is something of a God in his own right. I think the most common origin of fleas is people -- messy energies humans put out there, almost always unintentionally, which then take on a life of their own. The fleas involved might well be the result of some other human's terror of ouiji boards, in fact, but it's really not important what I or anyone else thinks about how fleas come about: what's important is freeing their victims.

.......

fleas are little, and annoying,
they can drive you crazy...

Is there any (other) particualr reason
you have chosen the word "flea" for "demon"?
Just curious.

 

[Quagmire]

This is an old thread,
but the discussion is an interesting one.

In my own experience
the best thing we can do
with our "demons" manifest,
is simply observe them.
Don't fear them,
don't avoid them,
don't 'fight' them,
don't 'revile', threaten, command or castigate them.
just watch them.

What!?!

Oh, you said castigate. Sorry, I thought you said something else (phew).

They are there to show you something
about yourSelf.

They are after all.... Your demons.

I second Orias' exactly, V.

 

[blackout]

It's not really the "demon/s" that have to be "dealt with",
it is the Self... and all of it's illusions...
with which we must contend.

 

[Vendetta]

Ouigi Board has no power its called: Ideomotor Effect

Ideomotor effect

Also hearing voices and tactile sensations are probably signs of schizoaffctive disorder

 

[Orias]

It's not really the "demon/s" that have to be "dealt with",
it is the Self... and all of it's illusions...
with which we must contend.

Some people are not capable of realizing this, UV.

If they do not attempt to comprehend their own spells and games, then they are merely puppets to the Magick around them

 

[Quagmire]

It's not really the "demon/s" that have to be "dealt with",
it is the Self... and all of it's illusions...
with which we must contend.

Of course. And when you laugh at your demons, you're really just laughing at yourself (which beats self-pity all to hell).

 

[blackout]

Of course. And when you laugh at your demons, you're really just laughing at yourself (which beats self-pity all to hell).

Take life too seriously,
and you will wind up with some SERIOUS demons. :cover: :yes:

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Take life too seriously,
and you will wind up with some SERIOUS demons. :cover: :yes:

Taking life too seriously, or anything, is a demon.

 

[blackout]

Take life too seriously,
and you will wind up with some SERIOUS demons. :cover: :yes:

Taking life too seriously, or anything, is a demon.

You took my post too seriously.

You must have been posessed by a "serious" demon.

 

[Ásmólfar_Järvelä]

Ahh well first of all, it probly wasnt a demon bc demons dont usually try to cause harm to their summoner unless it is summoned, just for the hell of being summoned, but, if you accept information from a satanist then pm me and i can give you some prayers and some meditations that should help