Death Penalty for drug dealers?

[Epic Beard Man]

See:

Gotta love the racial disparities when applying the law when it comes to punishing drug dealers. People on the right, do you not see the ridiculousness?

 

[Stanyon]

Drug dealers can be any race but since you brought it up how do black conservatives fit in this discussion?
The Myth of the Racist Conservative and The Uncle Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

 

[Falvlun]

It’s cute that Trump unquestioningly believed the Chinese President. Just like he believed Putin’s denials after he asked him twice whether Russia interfered in our elections.

 

[Falvlun]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Trump has made it clear he admires dictators and their heavy handed approaches.

What’s really sad is that now a third of the country are being convinced that these dictatorial actions are desirable.

 

[suncowiam]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Coming from you, as a communist, this is interesting.

US does support the death penalty but this is a pretty extreme.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Coming from you, as a communist, this is interesting.

I'm not a Maoist. Just because someone is a Communist doesn't mean they agree with Stalin or Mao. I'm a Trotskyist, after Leon Trotsky who was exiled and eventually assassinated because he got in Stalin's way.

 

[Rival]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Reminds me of these lines from Stage Beauty:

King Charles II: Why shouldn't we have women on stage? After all, the French have been doing it for years.

Sir Edward Hyde: Whenever we're about to do something truly horrible, we always say that the French have been doing it for years.

 

[Quetzal]

What he is suggesting is absurd.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What’s really sad is that now a third of the country are being convinced that these dictatorial actions are desirable.

Small wonder. People are getting sick and tired of people who think they now have a huge chip on their shoulders daring them to knock it off.

Anyways what's the dictatorial part?

It's just Pusser carrying a stick.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have a friend that used to have a hard drug problem. At that time I would have advocated the death penalty for drug dealers and I knew some of her dealers, they were all white. I did not feel the same way about dealers of marijuana. It was an emotional response and not a rational one. It was clearly not a racist response. Trump is appealing to people's emotional responses in advocating the death penalty, he is not doing so as a racist this time around, though black people as usual would probably get hit harder by such a penalty. The poor are more apt to break the law in various different ways to survive and there probably are more black drug dealers as a percentage of the population. I do not think that killing dealers would do much to fix the problem. It would be just a reinforcement of the inherent racial inequities of our present system.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm not a Maoist. Just because someone is a Communist doesn't mean they agree with Stalin or Mao. I'm a Trotskyist, after Leon Trotsky who was exiled and eventually assassinated because he got in Stalin's way.

Could have fooled me. Stalin and Mao are literally the embodiment of Communism.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Drug dealers can be any race but since you brought it up how do black conservatives fit in this discussion?
The Myth of the Racist Conservative and The Uncle Tom

Oregon study finds racial disparities in drug convictions

Decades of Disparity | Drug Arrests and Race in the United States

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Agreed....Remember this was the same man who congratulated Xi on being president for life...to congratulate another man for being a dictator now he is emulating being little Duerte.

 

[idav]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Nobody should be emulating China as far as human rights are concerned. Trump wants to be like China, N Korea, Iran, Jordan and Libya, to name a few countries which consider death for drug offenses. Trumps go to being dictator countries and Islamic states isn't very reassuring.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Executions have worked so well at limiting drug dealing and violent crime over the last 60 years here in the US...we just need more of it!

Do you think this will include the doctors who prescribe and the pharmacists who fill the orders for opioids?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Executions have worked so well at limiting drug dealing and violent crime over the last 60 years here in the US...we just need more of it!

Do you think this will include the doctors who prescribe and the pharmacists who fill the orders for opioids?

No. But I'm trying to get everyone to look at the bigger picture. We already have disparities in drug convictions between crack cocaine and powdered cocaine between blacks who were convicted for crack cocaine, and whites who were convicted for powder. We already have what social scientists would presume systemic racism from within the justice system alone so are you telling me that with Trump advocating the death penalty this will not make the situation more evident? This is just one problem, the other problem is the problem of free will and self-determination of users. Secondly why should a drug dealer die for the choices of other human beings? Third, if you are suffering from chronic pain and I sell you some of my Norco pills because you're in pain and lack health insurance should I get the death penalty for selling you pain pills?

 

[sun rise]

Seriously: Since when has America become OK with saying the way China does things is a great way of doing them?

Since we have a would-be "God Emperor" wanting to sit on a throne and have all his minions pay obeisance to him.

 

[Nous]

I only watched a couple of minutes of the video. Scaramucci (sp?) is quite right about the unfairness in the application of the death penalty. It's been clearly shown that oftentimes those committing the most heinous criminal acts do not receive the death penalty, and there is an alarming percentage of capital punishment sentences in cases of wrongful convictions, subsequently exoneration by DNA evidence.

But, furthermore, the Court's rationale in Kennedy v. Louisiana, where it held that the Cruel and Unusual Clause prohibited the state from imposing the death penalty for convictions of child rape, began with a premise concerning national consensus. There is even less national consensus among states on capital punishment for mere drug dealers than there was for convictions for child rape. More than that, the Court did not even mention mere drug dealing among the possible crimes against the state that might not be instances of cruel and unusual punishment, rather, it included only the term "drug kingpin activity".

 

[Jumi]

Make most drugs legal, that will solve it. Look at how it worked in Portugal. Some other countries are looking at their model with some interest. Even here where most doctors are quite conservative, they have suggested the Portugal model. Sadly the police and politicians disagree.

The addicts deserve our care. Those that are reasonably in control of their habit don't deserve punishment. Drug dealers, especially ones that sell harder drugs or mix their drugs with poison to make more money per gram, on the other hand don't deserve much sympathy in my opinion. Neither do the organizations that funnel the money to terrorism and such.