Death Penalty for drug dealers?

[beenherebeforeagain]

No. But I'm trying to get everyone to look at the bigger picture. We already have disparities in drug convictions between crack cocaine and powdered cocaine between blacks who were convicted for crack cocaine, and whites who were convicted for powder. We already have what social scientists would presume systemic racism from within the justice system alone so are you telling me that with Trump advocating the death penalty this will not make the situation more evident? This is just one problem, the other problem is the problem of free will and self-determination of users. Secondly why should a drug dealer die for the choices of other human beings? Third, if you are suffering from chronic pain and I sell you some of my Norco pills because you're in pain and lack health insurance should I get the death penalty for selling you pain pills?

Apparently you missed my sarcasm. I probably wasn't clear enough.

My point was that the death penalty does not deter anything, that our justice system is indeed unfair and aimed always at the weak and powerless in society...just as immigration law is aimed almost entirely at the illegal immigrants and not at those who seek to employ and abuse them...and finally, though I certainly didn't say it explicitly, drug use should be treated as a public health issue and NOT as a criminal issue. And yes, we need to get the profit motive out of health care and provide it as a basic human service.

 

[Phantasman]

See:

Gotta love the racial disparities when applying the law when it comes to punishing drug dealers. People on the right, do you not see the ridiculousness?

I saw nothing in that video. Other than a short part of drug dealers and death penalties. Like Mooch, I am against the DP, and he gave a good reason how money for good attorneys can get a cartel leader off while a low IQ slum seller that couldn't afford a great attorney would lose.

In the speech, Trump even said he didn't think we are ready for the DP for drug dealers.

The lady seems to think a wall is useless against the multi billion dollars of drugs crossing the southern border because cartels just walk them across.

Did I miss something?

 

[David T]

See:

Gotta love the racial disparities when applying the law when it comes to punishing drug dealers. People on the right, do you not see the ridiculousness?

Does this include pharmas?

 

[Vee]

Do you think this will include the doctors who prescribe and the pharmacists who fill the orders for opioids?

Excellent point.

 

[Phantasman]

Apparently you missed my sarcasm. I probably wasn't clear enough.

My point was that the death penalty does not deter anything, that our justice system is indeed unfair and aimed always at the weak and powerless in society...just as immigration law is aimed almost entirely at the illegal immigrants and not at those who seek to employ and abuse them...and finally, though I certainly didn't say it explicitly, drug use should be treated as a public health issue and NOT as a criminal issue. And yes, we need to get the profit motive out of health care and provide it as a basic human service.

Death penalty isn't as effective as hard labor. To many, it's an easy out. People commits crimes then kill themselves. If you had to work hard for the rest of your life and see all the fruits of your labor go to the family of the victim (rather than yourself) would be a much more effective deterrent. Get rid of the pool tables, basketball courts, etc. Prison is prison. It's supposed to be uncomfortable and NOT a place you want to spend time in.

 

[Quetzal]

Excellent point.

Ms Q works in healthcare and she can attest to this being one of the major players in this epidemic.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Death penalty isn't as effective as hard labor. To many, it's an easy out. People commits crimes then kill themselves. If you had to work hard for the rest of your life and see all the fruits of your labor go to the family of the victim (rather than yourself) would be a much more effective deterrent. Get rid of the pool tables, basketball courts, etc. Prison is prison. It's supposed to be uncomfortable and NOT a place you want to spend time in.

Prison, whether the cushy resort or a heavy-labor gulag, has never been an effective deterrent.

 

[Quetzal]

Prison, whether the cushy resort or a heavy-labor gulag, has never been an effective deterrent.

That may be true and regarding drug dealers I think it has to do with risk vs reward. In short, many of them rely on moving their product. If they can't do that, they don't eat. So the risk is worth it in that regard. I do not excuse drug dealer behavior, but this is how I rationalize their process. (And I may be wrong.)

 

[Vee]

Ms Q works in healthcare and she can attest to this being one of the major players in this epidemic.

I've heard that from an number of people already. It looks like the first drugs people get hooked on are prescribed. That medical system needs a deep change.

 

[Father Heathen]

Does this mean that the execs of pharmaceutical, tobacco, and alcohol companies will be arrested, put on trial, and then sent to death row?

 

[Father Heathen]

Trump has made it clear he admires dictators and their heavy handed approaches.

What’s really sad is that now a third of the country are being convinced that these dictatorial actions are desirable.

We should convince them all to relocate to Texas, and then allow Texas to secede and become the third world, theocratic, and jingoistic dictatorship that they desire.

 

[Father Heathen]

I saw nothing in that video. Other than a short part of drug dealers and death penalties. Like Mooch, I am against the DP, and he gave a good reason how money for good attorneys can get a cartel leader off while a low IQ slum seller that couldn't afford a great attorney would lose.

In the speech, Trump even said he didn't think we are ready for the DP for drug dealers.

The lady seems to think a wall is useless against the multi billion dollars of drugs crossing the southern border because cartels just walk them across.

Did I miss something?

Using tunnels has been a rather popular tactic of the cartels for years. Spending billions on a wall won't effect that.

 

[Phantasman]

Prison, whether the cushy resort or a heavy-labor gulag, has never been an effective deterrent.

Getting benefits out of prisoners rather than paying for their benefits seems to be a better approach, IMO.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Using tunnels has been a rather popular tactic of the cartels for years. Spending billions on a wall won't effect that.

They also use airplanes, boats and have used submarines. The more you interdict, the more the price is driven up, which increases the profit motive, which drives suppliers to devote more time and money into finding new and novel--and more expensive--means of getting their supply to their customers...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you think this will include the doctors who prescribe and the pharmacists who fill the orders for opioids?

Eli Lilly, Phillip Morris, and Anheuser-Busch I'm sure will all be exempt. And while those dealing drugs because they need the extra money will pay the ultimate price, Janssen Pharmaceuticals (they make Fentanyl patches) will probably never be made to pay a dime.http://www.janssenpharmaceuticalsinc.com/

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Agreed....Remember this was the same man who congratulated Xi on being president for life...to congratulate another man for being a dictator now he is emulating being little Duerte.

Early on in the election, since I grew up in an America that hated Soviet Russia and Putin is a remnant, there would be no way he could win the primaries. But he did. I thought insulting a military family would be the end of the line for him, but he kept gaining momentum, and would later go on to say that has nothing to do with the military is insulting to the military.

 

[Phantasman]

Using tunnels has been a rather popular tactic of the cartels for years. Spending billions on a wall won't effect that.

Walls only go up?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Walls only go up?

how deep are you planning on digging these walls? And, once the cartels learn how deep they are, do you think that will stop them? Either from going right through it, or by just digging deeper?

 

[Phantasman]

how deep are you planning on digging these walls? And, once the cartels learn how deep they are, do you think that will stop them? Either from going right through it, or by just digging deeper?

The fact that I engineered high end security systems for 40+ years, I know that we have the ability to secure below the Earth. Once the wall could carry electronics, it's quite possible for sensors to detect sub terrain disturbances. Seismographs for detection of 200 feet or more down are quite common. Coal miners can see a lot deeper than any cartel can dig. Richter uses the same technology.

Geotech security has been around since the early 90s.

A properly built wall would surpass any Berlin, China or Israeli wall. And Trump has said many times that it would be a technological marvel.

Now, listen to Trump again in the description of the wall:

Trump touts technology plan for border wall

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I saw nothing in that video. Other than a short part of drug dealers and death penalties. Like Mooch, I am against the DP, and he gave a good reason how money for good attorneys can get a cartel leader off while a low IQ slum seller that couldn't afford a great attorney would lose.

In the speech, Trump even said he didn't think we are ready for the DP for drug dealers.

The lady seems to think a wall is useless against the multi billion dollars of drugs crossing the southern border because cartels just walk them across.

Did I miss something?

Why would you need the death penalty for drug dealing to begin with that is the problem....!