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Death Penalty for drug dealers?

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Early on in the election, since I grew up in an America that hated Soviet Russia and Putin is a remnant, there would be no way he could win the primaries. But he did. I thought insulting a military family would be the end of the line for him, but he kept gaining momentum, and would later go on to say that has nothing to do with the military is insulting to the military.

Til' this day I still don't understand how this idiot got in but then again there are forces behind the scenes that are pulling the puppet strings.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Death penalty isn't as effective as hard labor. To many, it's an easy out. People commits crimes then kill themselves. If you had to work hard for the rest of your life and see all the fruits of your labor go to the family of the victim (rather than yourself) would be a much more effective deterrent. Get rid of the pool tables, basketball courts, etc. Prison is prison. It's supposed to be uncomfortable and NOT a place you want to spend time in.

At the same time that is a slippery slope.....You want a prison like China why don't you move there....Prison in essence is a place where one should rehabilitate and reflect upon their deeds. Many people in prison have grown up in broken homes and disorganized environments.
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
I have a friend that used to have a hard drug problem. At that time I would have advocated the death penalty for drug dealers and I knew some of her dealers, they were all white. I did not feel the same way about dealers of marijuana. It was an emotional response and not a rational one. It was clearly not a racist response. Trump is appealing to people's emotional responses in advocating the death penalty, he is not doing so as a racist this time around, though black people as usual would probably get hit harder by such a penalty. The poor are more apt to break the law in various different ways to survive and there probably are more black drug dealers as a percentage of the population. I do not think that killing dealers would do much to fix the problem. It would be just a reinforcement of the inherent racial inequities of our present system.
I think if i was dealer I'd like to see my competition be eliminated.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Why would you need the death penalty for drug dealing to begin with that is the problem....!
I wouldn't want it. In the speech Trump asked the Chinese President why HE doesn't have a drug problem and he told Trump it's because drug trafficking is a death penalty. China's different than us in that they have 5 times our population. And they follow socialism. Once the government controls the people, you cannot argue with them. Our Constitution prevents such actions, unless it gets changed by those who seek a socialistic society. The reason Americans are armed is to prevent that from occurring.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Til' this day I still don't understand how this idiot got in but then again there are forces behind the scenes that are pulling the puppet strings.
Well. no puppeteers yet. It may just be possible Trump pulled out the vote fair and square. I love the media clowns who say the victory was "impossible". Like screaming at the sky was going to do something also.

The best way to success is to accept failure and move past it. 2018 should be interesting to see if Dale Carnegie was right.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Anyways what's the dictatorial part?

It's just Pusser carrying a stick.
What’s a Pusser?

Threatening death, invoking the death penalty for minor crimes, are things dictators love to do. It breeds fear. It allows greater control.

Add it to the pile of other dictator crap Trump admires.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I think if i was dealer I'd like to see my competition be eliminated.
But then paranoia would begin to strike deep. They would be rightfully afraid that someone would "flip" on them. Like I said, my feelings were emotional in the past. I am still for heavy prison sentences for dealers, those can be mitigated by turning someone higher up in. Turning in someone above you has two good results. One it leads to a more important person being caught. Second the dealer has now burned himself. If he goes back to his old ways there will be a heavy price to pay often. It increases the odds of them going straight.

If you want to read a humorous story of a drug dealer this is one that I personally knew. He was a friend of my housemate, they went to high school together:

http://www.heraldnet.com/news/illegally-parked-car-leads-to-major-drug-bust/

He used a fake ID, please read to at least that point. The last I heard he only got about 8 years for this arrest. Considering his record (punishment keeps escalating in this state) he had to flip on someone to get such a relatively short sentence for such a serious amount of drugs.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I wouldn't want it. In the speech Trump asked the Chinese President why HE doesn't have a drug problem and he told Trump it's because drug trafficking is a death penalty. China's different than us in that they have 5 times our population. And they follow socialism. Once the government controls the people, you cannot argue with them. Our Constitution prevents such actions, unless it gets changed by those who seek a socialistic society. The reason Americans are armed is to prevent that from occurring.

China is not a socialist society (maybe economically) where did you get this from? China's Communist party has complete authority since 1949...
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Well. no puppeteers yet. It may just be possible Trump pulled out the vote fair and square. I love the media clowns who say the victory was "impossible". Like screaming at the sky was going to do something also.

The best way to success is to accept failure and move past it. 2018 should be interesting to see if Dale Carnegie was right.

Regardless, Trump is an idiot and it is clear both domestically and internationally....His own cabinet is a reflection of that.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'd be OK with a death penalty for selling drugs if the legislation also included the death penalty for obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy against the United Stares (election tampering), and tax evasion.

Why not? Why just pick on one kind of social parasite?
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
China is not a socialist society (maybe economically) where did you get this from? China's Communist party has complete authority since 1949...
List of socialist states - Wikipedia

A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism.

China
In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
List of socialist states - Wikipedia

A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism.

China
In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.

Yet today, only five communist countries remain in the world.

China is economically socialist...
 
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