Debate: If God exists, why does God allow so much suffering?

[waitasec]

You don't think parents ever blame themselves for the death of their child?
You don't think parents ever get scared because they are afraid they will never see their child again?

that doesn't change the here and now, it doesn't do anything about the hurt in the face of permanent separation from those one loves...
my experience is to dive in it and feel it, don't run from it because it is real, even though it would be easy to want to feel comforted, but the hurt will always be there unless it is dealt with head on. contemplate who they were and your connection with them... it's these lessons one learns to cherish the here and now with those they love...

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

that doesn't change the here and now, it doesn't do anything about the hurt in the face of permanent separation from those one loves...
my experience is to dive in it and feel it, don't run from it because it is real, even though it would be easy to want to feel comforted, but the hurt will always be there unless it is dealt with head on. contemplate who they were and your connection with them... it's these lessons one learns to cherish the here and now with those they love...

Oh so you are saying you do learn stuff form suffering.

I never said anything about running from it. I embrace death. Death is a natural part of life and is nothing to fear... unless you are an ax murderer.

 

[waitasec]

Oh so you are saying you do learn stuff form suffering.

when did i say suffering wasn't something to learn from?
we are discussing if suffering is something that is intentional...such as god causing it to happen or if it's a consequence of living in an indifferent world.

I never said anything about running from it. I embrace death. Death is a natural part of life and is nothing to fear... unless you are an ax murderer.

not when you say things like this

2) lack of understanding of the afterlife, and 3) That familes can be together forever

this undermines the here and now...
the child will be with them for as long as they live...

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Just clarifying that you believe there is some purpose to suffering.
You understand that if there is a God that He lets us suffer for a reason.

Understanding that you can see your children again someday really does bring comfort. It isn't running away from the fact of death. It is accepting it as a natural event.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

When you were bringing up all that stuff earlier about if God really does exist and is an omnibenevolent God,why does he allow us to suffer? And arguing with me when I said that suffering is a learning experience, and now saying you never said suffering wasn't a learning experience...
It sounds like you were asking a question you already knew the answer to... Either that or you are changing your mind.

Just so you know I am saving your comment when you admited that suffering is a learning experience.

 

[Me Myself]

When you were bringing up all that stuff earlier about if God really does exist and is an omnibenevolent God,why does he allow us to suffer? And arguing with me when I said that suffering is a learning experience, and now saying you never said suffering wasn't a learning experience...
It sounds like you were asking a question you already knew the answer to... Either that or you are changing your mind.

God is omnipotent, so he could make up a better way of teaching than one of suffering.

So even if suffering teaches us that doesn´t take the fact that God made a way of teaching us that is painful, while it doesn´t have to be that way (because as said earlier, he is omnipotent, so he could just find more efficient ways that may be even pleasurable)

Like, Sex should teach us more stuff!

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Maybe suffering is just the best way to teach us. God knows what is best for us does He not? I'm sure you could complain about any of his teaching methods.

 

[Me Myself]

Maybe suffering is just the best way to teach us. God knows what is best for us does He not? I'm sure you could complain about any of his teaching methods.

If I didn´t suffered from them I had no reason to blame him

So he is incable of creating a better method?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I'm saying out of every method ever, that is the best method.
If there was better method, I'm sure you would still say, "couldn't he come up with a better method?" on and on for infinity. Just be happy you have a method at all.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm saying out of every method ever, that is the best method.
If there was better method, I'm sure you would still say, "couldn't he come up with a better method?" on and on for infinity. Just be happy you have a method at all.

So he can´t create a method that pleases me?

God is not restricted by the methods in existence. the posibilities to God are theoretically, limitless. He is omnipotent.

so even if there wasn´t a method that would satisfy my free wil, he would still be able to create a method that does so. It´s not like he doesn´t know how I am going to react.

God willfully allowed suffering. Including suffering to animals that you (and I) beleive have emotions and are concious. they are not even gong to heaven, they have no reason to suffer, yet they do.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

that promotes the question. Should God's will be changing to your will, or should your will be changing to God's will?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Oh, I believe animals will be going to heaven when they die. I'm quite sure that they have their own learning experiences of their own on this earth.

 

[Me Myself]

that promotes the question. Should God's will be changing to your will, or should your will be changing to God's will?

... okay I don´t even know how to... okay its long, but I´ll start:

God´s(if he is omniscient) will doesn´t change.

God always knew all the desicions he was going to make before he made them, because he is omniscient.

God knew the will of every creature before creating it, because he is omniscient.

God knew the full consecuences of every action he will ever take, because he is omniscient.

Now to answer your question:

Should God's will be changing to your will, or should your will be changing to God's will?

According to the bible? Yeah, I only have to ask with faith. Smaller than a grain of mustard mind you.

Also, taking Jesus words, if a father on earth gives his children everything he can that they want moreoff the father in heaven will give us everything we want (jesus words)

So... well, hunger in africa leavesme unimpressed by his works.

 

[Me Myself]

Oh, I believe animals will be going to heaven when they die. I'm quite sure that they have their own learning experiences of their own on this earth.

While I find the position respectable, I am surprised that Later day saints are allowed to think that way o.o

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

allowed to think that way? why would they not be allowed to think that way? Animals in Heaven is in our doctrine.

 

[Me Myself]

allowed to think that way? why would they not be allowed to think that way? Animals in Heaven is in our doctrine.

0_0 seriously? please enlighten me, I didn´t know that xD.

Though I am amazed that they get a free pass o.o, or can they go to hell to?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Man's will is sinful and imperfect and God's will is righteous and perfect. God's teaching style is also perfect. I'm certain that if you were to bend your will to God's will you would see it and be well satisfied.
As long as your will is sinful, God's methods will never please you.

 

[Me Myself]

Man's will is sinful and imperfect and God's will is righteous and perfect. God's teaching style is also perfect. I'm certain that if you were to bend your will to God's will you would see it and be well satisfied.
As long as your will is sinful, God's methods will never please you.

My will is exactly as God intended it to be. he created me with all my perks and new before hand exaclty what he was doing.

For starters, to say that God has a plan goes completely in oposition to saying he is omnipotent

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

0_0 seriously? please enlighten me, I didn´t know that xD.

Though I am amazed that they get a free pass o.o, or can they go to hell to?

I don't know, it doesn't say. It just says that animals will be resurrected and there will be animals in heaven.
In understanding that the word Hell comes from the word Sheol meaning the waiting places of the departed spirits, then yes, there will be animals in the spirit world.

 

[Me Myself]

I don't know, it doesn't say. It just says that animals will be resurrected and there will be animals in heaven.
In understanding that the word Hell comes from the word Sheol meaning the waiting places of the departed spirits, then yes, there will be animals in the spirit world.

Yo then don´t beleive in eternal damnation? (giving that "hell" is just a waiting place?)