Claiming bacterias are sentient beings?
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Debate on Abortion.
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Humanistheart
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Exactly, it has the same dna. A seed and a tree are one in that respect. As you've said, the seed's just not full grown. We use different terms for them as a result of their age, but we know they are the same species, the same dna. As it is with humans, different terms like child, teen, adult, but all one species, all the same in that respect. Fetus is just a term noting age/development. Saying a fetus isn't human is like saying a teenager isn't human, or a child isn't human, or saying an adult isn't human. Your applying the age terms to your argument as if the differnt names we use to conveniently seperate our species by age means something here.
But tell you what. If you think age makes that much difference, go find an endangered condor egg and break it in front of EPA, see if the old 'it's not really a bird because it hasn't developed feathers' argument keeps you out of jail.
Humanistheart
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By all means, find one sentance I've posted that indicated that. I said 'life'. But nice try at avoiding the actual post. And now that you've been called on this, perhaps you'd like to go back and actually address it this time.
DNA is not what makes life valuable.
Humanistheart
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This responce would suggest you have no, or at least will not share with us, a reasonable retort, or make any effort to actually defend your position. You're obviously done debating, so why are you still posting here in this debate section?
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I didn´t avoid it, I explained what the difference is for me. Sentience. Mind. The thing between your ears that makes you to, well, you. That is not something you have as soon as the egg is fertilized, simply because the brain has not evolved to a state where it can handle that.
Humanistheart
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According to you. Also according to you it's the 'mind' that makes life valuable, yet you've offered no reasoning or explanation for your assertion, and by your own admittance you don't even know what you really mean by 'mind'.
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Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
A large portion of the mind is determined by our dna. Yet according to you dna is not what makes life have value. So if the blue prints for the brain isn't of value, why is the fruit of those blueprints of value? Without the dna, there is no mind.
And yes, there were other things in the post you ignored. Also 'evolved' is not the correct term concerning the brain. You're looking for 'developed' in this context.
I know there is no mind without DNA, but when there is no mind the DNA itself lacks value. Besides, every cell in your body has the same DNA as your brain cells. That does not make them as valuable as the brain.
I am tired, I realized after I ignored things because I don´t know the answer to them. Maybe it is because it is about 3 am in the night and my brain is shutting down, I don´t know.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Just thought I'd share this LOVELY PM from Memories:
storm said:
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Screw you.
Im glad we could experience the exetent of your wickedness, whatever happened to you in your life was probably well deserved because you are a wicked and hypocrite person.
And you deserve every bit of it.
So, according to this paragon of Christian love and compassion, I deserved to be regularly raped and beaten as a child. Why? Because I have a mind of my own, apparently.Quote:
Screw you.
Im glad we could experience the exetent of your wickedness, whatever happened to you in your life was probably well deserved because you are a wicked and hypocrite person.
And you deserve every bit of it.
Well, if I said that I said it the wrong way, I meant human value is derived from the mind and not from the DNA. The DNA itself is useless without a context.
Then you don´t understand my logic. I meant to the point where it is developed enough to carry the most important aspect of being human, our mind. And about the not knowing and betting on peoples life, well, there is a reason I do not want to make any laws. There are way more competent people out there then me who actually have read about this subject. I am just someone who does not see anything wrong with abortion but who knows his own limitations.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
That's not entirely correct, but at any rate, if a brain gives life value, are you against the killing of say, ducks for food, or experimenting of chimps for research? They have brains.
That could have something to do with it. Sleep may be a good remedy for this.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
Human value. By this you mean what makes something of value to humans or the mind is what gives humans their value?
What makes humans so valuable is what I mean. Quite simple really.
JeLy
Member
Maybe a little bit... since he/she allowed the topic to get derailed so much after proclaiming they'd have an abortion if god told them to.
Memories
Christian Apologist
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
You should report him.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
And what about this brain makes us so valuable? And how do you measure a concept like value in this cercumstance? What of those who's minds are not well developed? Does a person suffering from developmental delay not have value? Is an autistic child of no value? What of someone in a coma or with brain damage? Do they have no value and thus no right to live? Or is it, to you, the mere act of possesing a 'human' brain regaurdless of condition that somehow gives value to our species?