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Define Universe

allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
We don't want the cessation of opposites.
Without the coming together of opposites there is no creation.
All things come from the balance of opposites.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
BSM1 said:
No. There would still be the opposite of this.



Without opposites there would be no need for creation.
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As if opposites and creation are bad things.

The first thought from the Father was the image of himself and so the first opposite was the Mother and then of course the Son came from the two.
Which is through whom comes all of creation.

The mystery is that it is man of which i speak.
All of creation is inside of man.
And all of creation comes through man.
Every soul is a son or daughter of God.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
allfoak said:
As if opposites and creation are bad things.

The first thought from the Father was the image of himself and so the first opposite was the Mother and then of course the Son came from the two.
Which is through whom comes all of creation.

The mystery is that it is man of which i speak.
All of creation is inside of man.
And all of creation comes through man.
Every soul is a son or daughter of God.
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I think you're missing my point. Bliss, to me, would be not having to choose or even be aware of this and not that.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Tiapan said:
When I was brought up the Universe contained "ÄLL" since the big bang. I am now a science teacher and when approached by those of a religious bent I explain it this way. Like a concentric pool of Venn Diagrams I explain here is the Universe and here is that we do know and here is that we don't know. Although god does not exist in the "known to me" (evidence) Universe, but I cannot presuppose he does not exist in the realm that is not known. What we do know is mathematics is universal, physics is its manifestation in mass, energy, space and time. As a subset of this is chemistry the electronic interactions of matter. Then Biology, sentience, psychology, sociology, religion, science and technology and information. We are part of an amazing experiment of chaos resulting in sentience and evolution. The drive is to improve....health, longevity, wealth, standard of living quality of life. We are part of an evolutionary process. We are neither the start nor the end of this process which will last several million years and we may have as much resemblance to future man as us and Australopithecus.
Results form the Hubble telescope and other deep space analysis, indicate matter, physics and chemistry on the other side of the universe and basically the same as here.

Getting back to the original topic, where what I was after is, what are the limits of the universe. Consider the Big Bang , expanding over time 13.8 BYO matter spreads out behind a massive burst of light radiation, followed by subatomic particles eg electrons followed by "chunky matter" (us). While in religious terms God is beyond all this scientific stuff and can just whip up the whole Universe of amazing complexity, in a few seconds, that is really cool if was true. The problem is the quandary of contradictions of where did god come form, what mechanism of his interaction with our world etc etc.


Taking the scientific definition we are the product of a "Big Bang" phenomena, our egocentric aptitude blinded us to the possibility that this may not be a unique event. Quasars are a phenomena that show a brilliance of thousands of galaxies, are these other local "Big Bangs". All things in the Universe rotate so it is odds on the whole universe rotates. Russian and Canadian estimates this rate as 10^-13 rad/sec a very slow rate. But wind back the clock 13.8 billion years and our universe would have been spinning a lot faster (remember the spinning ice skater that pulls in her arms and spins faster to maintain her angular momentum?). this leads to a figure of about 30,000 km because beyond that particles would have to violate the speed of light axiom of our physics.Where did the Universal angular momentum come from?
Is this evidence of a previously collapsing earlier universe? A perpetual oscillation between energy and matter?

Perhaps a "Big Bang occurs when a spinning black hole gathers so much matter that its diameter reaches this light speed circumference value destabilizes and initiates the next Big Bang.

Some black holes may spin at different rates so fast ones explode earlier, but slow ones are far more powerful.

What is your definition?
Cheers
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The universe is comprised of matter and energy....matter in turn is actually comprised of energy.. Only the 2.5% physical matter of the universe is detectable by science and thus one can say the universe comprises the manifest aspect and the unmanifested aspect...these two are in reality aspects of an indivisible oneness..

As for the concept of a beginning of the universe....there was none...and there could never be one because there is no logic known to science whereby the all that exists could come from non-existence. Of course there is the religious institutional theological view whereby God miraculously created the universe and time began....matched pretty much by the scientific big bang theory whereby the universe miraculously created itself and time began...but neither of these two theories can ever be proven and never will be because it requires an explanation of the absolute nothing which gave birth to the universe..and there isn't one except a miracle about which no one can ever know..:) Now I don't know about you...but I am not going to believe in something which, by all scientific knowledge available to man, along with logic, is not possible....ever..

The most logical understanding is that there was no beginning to the universe as it is eternal and infinite..and thus will never have an ending....and the only beginnings and endings of the universe are those associated with temporal aspects of universal manifestation such as galactic, stellar, planetary, human, plant, etc kingdoms....
 
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Terese

Terese

Mangalam Pundarikakshah
Staff member
Premium Member
Spiny Norman said:
Yes, I like the emphasis on "our" here. It's like saying "my world" rather than "the world."
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When I say 'our reality' I mean it may not be the only one. Saying 'The reality' would mean there is only one.
 
Terese

Terese

Mangalam Pundarikakshah
Staff member
Premium Member
Spiny Norman said:
Of course. But there are people who do insist on talking about it like that, phrases like "Absolute Reality" are churned out.
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Well when I say Absolute Reality I mean Brahman. I wouldn't call it 'churned out'.
 
Terese

Terese

Mangalam Pundarikakshah
Staff member
Premium Member
Spiny Norman said:
So you do believe in an absolute reality? OK. I seem to have misunderstood your previous posts.
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Those posts were just speculation. Lotsa mysteries in the universe to uncover ay?
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Terese said:
Those posts were just speculation. Lotsa mysteries in the universe to uncover ay?
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For sure, there is a lot we don't know. That's why I'm reluctant to take on religious beliefs about it, they just seem like speculation.
 
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