Definitely not trolling, but two verses from Qur'an...why maybe Islam should be banned in America

[Theweirdtophat]

You can't ban an idea. Prohibition doesn't work and never has worked. The Muslims in America will still practice it anyway whether Islam is banned or not. Most Muslims don't have an interest in converting and waging war with everyone. A lot of them want what you want, which is peace with the family, friends and loved ones. But you can't destroy an idea. In fact let's just ban everything. Because you're not going to please everyone

Really, you can't ban Islam. Also doing that would be going against the 1st amendment. How can you be for freedom of religion after doing that? "Oh yes you can practice whatever you want, well, except for this religion." Doesn't make much sense. Sometimes Islam wasn't even spread by the sword and countries were influenced and willingly adopted it. Besides you don't punish people for what their ancestors did. Whether religious fanatics belonging to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, ect. the ones responsible for those acts have been dead for over a thousand years. Don't punish their descendants.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

Freedom. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Well I don't know about freedoms that jeopardize other people Ma'am.

 

[Nietzsche]

Lolol. Well again that's for others to debate. I am debating about killing over others practicing free speech.

You're being intentionally dense. Stop. It.

Your argument, if that barely-coherent set of crayon-scribbles can even be called that, is that since the Quran has bits(quoted out of context) that tell them to kill non-believers and spy on them should make it illegal to practice, then other faiths with equal or greater commands should be illegal as well.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

We have laws against murder.

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But allowing others to practice a religion that teaches to kill others over what they say IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE'S SAFETY. It is not compatible with a free speech society.

 

[FTNZ]

Well I don't know about freedoms that jeopardize other people Ma'am.

Beliefs don't kill people, actions do. If someone kills someone in the US, there is already law to deal with that.

What you are advocating is convicting people of thought crimes, which is what many religions do. So you are no better than those you are criticising.

And there's no need to refer to female posters with Ma'am, as if it's some kind of novelty that women can think and write.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Personal attacks aren't allowed at the site Jay...as I said I am not seeking to attack anyone or their beliefs. I am just debating should such religion be allowed in a free speech country.

I, a Jew, have interacted with Muslims from four distinct mosques in my immediate area. I've done interfaith work with members of CAIR, CAMP, the MSA and the MWA. Your talk of "such a religion" is nothing more than the ignorant and bigoted generalization of an agenda-driven polemic.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

Why are people allowed to be christians when the bible says you should kill anyone who doesn't believe what you believe or who deconverts others?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods, gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Because in a free society people are free to believe what they wish to believe, but they are not free to violate anyone else's freedoms. That's how that works.

Lololol.

Well actually others are maybe more knowledgeable about what the Bible says. I do know that with the Bible new laws come at different times...the Book of Psalms speaks against some of the Mosaic laws if I'm not mistaken, so maybe Jews don't believe that ALL of the Mosaic laws are still valid.

My question is about killing others over others practicing freedom of speech and is such religion compatible with a free speech society.

 

[Mycroft]

Lolol. Well again that's for others to debate. I am debating about killing over others practicing free speech.

Troll name: Check.
Troll thread: Check.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

The bible teaches the same thing. Yet each time a christian kills someone in the name of their god, and it happens more often than you think (abortion clinic bombings, Dr. Tiller murdered as he sat in his church pew) we manage to try those perpetrators in a court of law. You're leading with your bigotry, and it's not leading you down a rational path.

Lolololololol.

Well actually Ma'am those people are going contrary to Christianity's teachings if I'm not mistaken. Whereas with Qur'an 5:33 people are actually admonished to kill over someone saying this or that lolol.

 

[Ingledsva]

But allowing others to practice a religion that teaches to kill others over what they say IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE'S SAFETY. It is not compatible with a free speech society.

The Bible says to murder people as well.

These are ancient religious texts, and that is why they are allowed to be in the USA, and other countries.

And of course both are claiming they are now religions of peace.

Both religions have, or had, religious extremists, which have murdered people in this century.

A modern religion which came out saying - go out and murder people, - would be shut down immediately.

I find both the Bible and Qur'an to be terrible, in that they tell people to do horrible things to others, in the name of God.

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["Born Eunuch"]

Beliefs don't kill people, actions do. If someone kills someone in the US, there is already law to deal with that.

What you are advocating is convicting people of thought crimes, which is what many religions do. So you are no better than those you are criticising.

And there's no need to refer to female posters with Ma'am, as if it's some kind of novelty that women can think and write.

Lolololol.

No Ma'am, you are assuming about my reasons for using the word Ma'am lolol. I only mean it as a sign of respect. Beliefs are what lead to actions...

 

["Born Eunuch"]

Hate, bigotry, and xenophobia jeopardizes the safety of others, especially when propagated in a grossly hypocritical manner.

Lolololol. Sorry but I don't know what you're talking about Sir.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

I'm sorry, but whom do you think blessed you with the privilege of getting to tell certain people they "truly are" anything? Does the phrase "No True Scotsman" mean anything to you?

Lololol.

Well again now an assumption is being made. You may not be reading my words very clearly.

 

[Nakosis]

Do you really what the government deciding what you are allow to believe?
If so you might want to try China.

"Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote: “A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could”
Communism Persecutes Religion | No Communism

Too far?
If you ban one religion aren't you showing approval for those you don't ban?

A person can believe all blacks or all whites or all republicans should be killed. I don't care as long as they don't act on the belief.
Our laws provide the rules which everyone must abide by without respect to religious belief.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong but it seems to work out for the best.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

^ Everything is "LOL" ... it's a bit like being back in Jr. High School.

Again Jay, personal attacks are not allowed at the site (my lols are not any kind of personal attack. They are just expressions that I'm humored by what was said.)

 

["Born Eunuch"]

I, a Jew, have interacted with Muslims from four distinct mosques in my immediate area. I've done interfaith work with members of CAIR, CAMP, the MSA and the MWA. Your talk of "such a religion" is nothing more than the ignorant and bigoted generalization of an agenda-driven polemic.

I didn't say "such a religion," Sir. I said "such religion." There is a tonal difference.

As for the rest of your words you would have to rephrase because I don't understand them, but the old saying, "Everyone who acts like a friend is not necessarily a freind" may apply.

Peace.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Again Jay, personal attacks are not allowed at the site (my lols are not any kind of personal attack. They are just expressions that I'm humored by what was said.)

I took it as a personality trait rather than some underwhelming personal attack.

 

[Marisa]

Lololol.

Well actually others are maybe more knowledgeable about what the Bible says. I do know that with the Bible new laws come at different times...the Book of Psalms speaks against some of the Mosaic laws if I'm not mistaken, so maybe Jews don't believe that ALL of the Mosaic laws are still valid.

My question is about killing others over others practicing freedom of speech and is such religion compatible with a free speech society.

My question TO YOU is who, in the US, has the RIGHT to kill anyone in the name of their god?

 

[Marisa]

Lololol.

Well again now an assumption is being made. You may not be reading my words very clearly.

Do trust that I am crystal clear on your intention with this line of accusation that you are making. Crystal. As in, you are transparent.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

You can't ban an idea. Prohibition doesn't work and never has worked. The Muslims in America will still practice it anyway whether Islam is banned or not. Most Muslims don't have an interest in converting and waging war with everyone. A lot of them want what you want, which is peace with the family, friends and loved ones. But you can't destroy an idea. In fact let's just ban everything. Because you're not going to please everyone

Really, you can't ban Islam. Also doing that would be going against the 1st amendment. How can you be for freedom of religion after doing that? "Oh yes you can practice whatever you want, well, except for this religion." Doesn't make much sense. Sometimes Islam wasn't even spread by the sword and countries were influenced and willingly adopted it. Besides you don't punish people for what their ancestors did. Whether religious fanatics belonging to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, ect. the ones responsible for those acts have been dead for over a thousand years. Don't punish their descendants.

Well Malcolm X is a recent example Sir of the possibility of a Muslim wanting to kill someone for "waging war against Allah and His Messenger." Mr. X aroused the animosity and possible murderous desire of Nation of Islam Muslims simply for saying the words that he said.

The Paris attacks over the cartoon articles are another recent example of killing those "who wage war against Allah and His Messenger..." maybe.

I say have your religion but is that type of religion compatible with a free speech society and does it jeopardize others safety. Why don't they go to their own land if their land if governed by the things that they believe.