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Defute the Bible or not!

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Now for a scientific impossibility. This is Matthew 2:9-11...
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.
10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed.
11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. -NIV-
This is twofold. First it's noteworthy that people in those days know a star when they see one, otherwise why call it a star? The accounts in scriptures specifically mention star as opposed to light or spirit. With that in mind consider that a star does not move in that manner and even if the debate pertains to interstellar objects that can be confused with a star there are none that can pinpoint a specific location on earth.

The Bible states it's a star and one that lead right to Jesus's location. An impossibility as far as interstellar objects go. How is this rectified in the Christian view?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
atleast it is striaght forward.It doesnt use double talk tactics like scientist.

you are doing the double talk...by not supporting your baseless claims and then saying, at least they are up front about it...i mean really?

scientist use the scientific method to rule out as much bias as possible...
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
How many women visited the tombd Of Jesus? Did they come in before telling anyone? Did they see anything weird or supernatural outsie of the tomb or at it´s entrance? was the rock over the tomb in it´s place when they arrived?

How many angels did the women find at the empty tomb of Jesus?

Did the women told the apostles or were they too frigthened to say anything?



I would be amazed if you could answer any of this questions without contradicting any of the 4 gospels.

No answer yet? I am defuting you ! :p

This evidences the bible as contradictory! The emperor has not suit! No soup for you!
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
here's one...
"mark 15:27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. 32 ... Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him."

matthew 27:38 "Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left... 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him."

luke 23:32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left... 39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence?
41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

so did both criminals mock JC or just one?
 

obi one

Member
Now for a scientific impossibility. This is Matthew 2:9-11...This is twofold. First it's noteworthy that people in those days know a star when they see one, otherwise why call it a star? The accounts in scriptures specifically mention star as opposed to light or spirit. With that in mind consider that a star does not move in that manner and even if the debate pertains to interstellar objects that can be confused with a star there are none that can pinpoint a specific location on earth.

The Bible states it's a star and one that lead right to Jesus's location. An impossibility as far as interstellar objects go. How is this rectified in the Christian view?

The travelers from the East were magi, who studied the stars, and the planets. The planets all had meanings, and when certain planets were in alignment, they had special meanings. In approximately the year 6 BC, the alignment of two planets had the meaning of a new king in Israel. King Herod of Mt 2:7 died in 4 B.C. so Yeshua was born before that time frame. They didn't follow a star, they "saw his star in the East". (Mt 2:2)

I read about this 40 years ago, some don't ask about specifics.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
Now for a scientific impossibility. This is Matthew 2:9-11...This is twofold. First it's noteworthy that people in those days know a star when they see one, otherwise why call it a star? The accounts in scriptures specifically mention star as opposed to light or spirit. With that in mind consider that a star does not move in that manner and even if the debate pertains to interstellar objects that can be confused with a star there are none that can pinpoint a specific location on earth.

The Bible states it's a star and one that lead right to Jesus's location. An impossibility as far as interstellar objects go. How is this rectified in the Christian view?

This is supernatural and not even a dicussion here.It couldve stop if God is real what the Bible demands anything is possible so this is not a refute.You cant win or can I because i believe God and he is supernatural.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
you are doing the double talk...by not supporting your baseless claims and then saying, at least they are up front about it...i mean really?

scientist use the scientific method to rule out as much bias as possible...

Thats the point the claim of Moses and 40 years in the desert is not signifiant enough by the properties to try to refute.You can not say it did not happen because there is no evidence and i can not say it did because there is none.This ultimately do not refute the Bible just that the evidence is lacking.But there rocks in the mountains in sinia and by arabia that brings water forth.this is known.and this spot is near were moses and the Israelites were.No one can prove by little descriptions in the Bible hint to this is were they were.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
They didn't follow a star, they "saw his star in the East". (Mt 2:2)
They didn't follow a star?

So you're saying this passage from the Bible is wrong: "the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was."
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
They didn't follow a star?

So you're saying this passage from the Bible is wrong: "the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was."
Yes they followed a star and yes it went ahead of them.this could be interpreted as the earth was rotating.Or it could have really happened the way you describe and think as the star went ahead of them an stopped.This is possible of God is real.Not a refute.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
The Bible itself says the Bible is flawed. Therefore, if you don't believe the Bible is flawed, then you don't believe what the Bible says about itself, in which case, obviously you consider it flawed.

So: either the bible is flawed, or it's flawed.

There's your defutification.


"The Bible itself says the Bible is flawed" not even bothering to say were it says that.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
"The Bible itself says the Bible is flawed" not even bothering to say were it says that.

I'm not here to substantiate my views, Enoch, just to present them. Just like you.

So you agree that since the Bible is flawless, and since now that we've determined that it itself says it's flawed, that it must either be flawed for saying it's flawed when it's actually flawless, or it actually is flawed in which case it flawlessly accurate when it says it's flawed, but it would still have to be flawed.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
How many women visited the tombd Of Jesus? Did they come in before telling anyone? Did they see anything weird or supernatural outsie of the tomb or at it´s entrance? was the rock over the tomb in it´s place when they arrived?

How many angels did the women find at the empty tomb of Jesus?

Did the women told the apostles or were they too frigthened to say anything?



I would be amazed if you could answer any of this questions without contradicting any of the 4 gospels.

You act if interpretations from 4 different men suppose to be exzactly the same.Each apostle could only verify what he saw.If four men wrote about the same things today it would be four different versions.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
I'm not here to substantiate my views, Enoch, just to present them. Just like you.

So you agree that since the Bible is flawless, and since now that we've determined that it itself says it's flawed, that it must either be flawed for saying it's flawed when it's actually flawless, or it actually is flawed in which case it flawlessly accurate when it says it's flawed, but it would still have to be flawed.

I do not agree with anything you posted.No.And you continue to be absurd and pointless.Also you still didnt post where it says that??
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
I have to say you have courage to take this stand.


Main Question:

Ok how come a human-sacrifice contradicts the law yet we are all to belief that Jesus(p) died on the cross for our sins and it also says that each person should be judged for hes own actions.

Hence it also says that Man can only die once and not can come back in a physical body after, so was God lying according to the bible?

And if you say that god died on the cross then your blaspheming and blaspheming to the holy-spirit is a eternal sin ''or something''


Les Important Questions
:

1. Proverbs 6:6-8, ants have no commander, no ruler and no overseer! This is absurdly false, because ants live in colonies and ranks of rulership and authority. And they have a queen.

2. Leviticus 11:20-23 - "All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you." No insect with four legs exists. Insects have six legs and six feet.

3. Matthew 13:31-32 "He (Jesus) told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all your seeds," The mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds. Others, such as the orchid seed, are smaller.

4. 2 Samuel 10:18 - David slew 700 and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
1 Chronicles 19:18 - David slew 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen.

5. Ezra 2:5 - Arah had 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 - Arah had 652 sons.


I hope you can answer my 6 questions.


Is a Book that was transcribed, translated, re-translated, edited, and printed by imperfect humans flawed? Certainly.
Is the original source of that Book (i.e. God) flawed? No. But once humans get involved, imperfection is inevitable.
 
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