Actually, I have heard some of that. But there are some crazier notions that are not as widely known among all Christians.
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Degradation of Porn
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LiveBetterLife
Active Member
LOL. No it doesn't.
Those things which we do only for ourselves die along with ourselves. Those things which we do for others continue impacting their lives, and the lives of those they touch, after we ourselves have passed.
If you don’t understand this simple concept you have my sincere pity.
LiveBetterLife
Active Member
No, you implied that acts done in the service of others holds some kind of eternal presence. Which is just sanctimonious gobbledygook.
Everything in life is transient.
Ultimately, nothing anyone does matters that much.
I pity you for your priggish attitude.
InChrist
Free4ever
I am all for mercy. I believe God the Creator has revealed His wisdom for the way in which human beings function best and He will guide anyone to that wisdom when they desire and seek.
This thread was not about judging, condemning anyone, or having no mercy. I just think exposing things which are harmful is important and education helps people possibly see things from a different perspective and make different choices which in the long run may help themselves and others rather than hurt.
InChrist
Free4ever
I am not judging anyone and that was not my purpose for this thread. I just think the harmful effects of porn on attitudes of men and women who view it, real life human relationships, men's sexual health, young people, even children now, and the demand it creates for more and more extreme and/or violent sexual images and the connection to human sex trafficking is an important issue worth addressing. At least people may consider different perspectives and think about the negative consequences of pornography on others, even themselves.
No, Western kids are extremely sheltered compared to past eras and other cultures. Even the notion of childhood is a modern social construct (hence, why they used to make kids work in factories and such before child labor was banned). Kids would've known about sex and death from the beginning for most of human history.
LiveBetterLife
Active Member
Yes it was.
I'm sure it is true that children these days, and in recent times, are sheltered compared with much earlier times. I think the working child, and especially the working child in industrial environments, was more related to poverty, with any lack of protections being more about exploitation from those who found them more useful and cheaper than adults. But the sexual aspect presumably is what you have stated - that sex was perceived as more normal and being more open then, particularly where living space would have been much smaller.
However, I still maintain that what we have now is rather different. One only needs to see the various categories on many sites to know that much is bordering on the nasty rather than contributing to any healthy environment for children to witness. And it is this factor - the ease of which children can view such material - that many are complaining about these days. I doubt there would be any complaints if such material was not so freely available. And as mentioned, which can be found online, there are reports of harmful effects to children by viewing much of this stuff.
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Your thread literally says the degradation of porn. You thereby state that it harms both men and women. You are literally judging porns harm from your perspective. Have you ever had a conversation with someone who does porn? What if they are in porn because they love sex?
Riders
Well-Known Member
While it is true there are many women porn lovers and many of us who are addicted to porn in fact, it does not mean that porn is not degrading to women, Off hand Id say some is some is not, Penthouse and Playboy is ok, not so degrading the soft porn, but other porn is degrading and embarrassing to us.
Much of it these days show women being slapped and its popular to see men cumming on a woman's face these days which is violent.They show them gagging in oral sex, choking this type of thing. Then again there is soft porn so. It depends on what you mean by porn.
But I am a member of Sex Addicts anonymous and off hand Id have to say many women sex addicts and porn addicts have been the vitems of abuse and have been use to being abused by sex addict men while male sex addicts and porn addicts tend more to be like those whoa re in trouble with the law for sexual harassment and stalking and that type of thing so.
Generation Porn is a deeply unsettling look into the impact of internet porn
In order to stand out in a crowded genre, porn documentaries must reveal something surprising and new. It is a triumph for the makers of Generation Porn on Channel 4, therefore, that within the first few minutes of episode one, we are hit with a startling fact about Twitter. “What people don’t realise about Twitter,” boss of cult porn series Fake Taxi Joe Todd shrugs, “is it’s one of the biggest porn sites in the world.” Todd divulges this information in a matter-of-fact way after demonstrating how a 13-year-old child can, in a couple of clicks, alter their privacy and safety settings on Twitter to gain access to hardcore pornographic videos.
Like many other sites - Facebook, Instagram, Google Images, etc., perhaps?
Unsettling footage in Prague, where Fake Taxi is filmed, shows Todd and his father Jonathan standing hip to hip, watching a porn film being shot. Todd appears to have conflicted feelings about how easily youngsters can access hardcore pornography. Although he worries about the impact porn could have on children, a big part of Joe’s job is to post Fake Taxi videos to hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers. Jonathan appears to have less of a conscience. When asked if he feels responsible for making porn so accessible to young people, the co-founder of YouPorn comes up with a garbled argument, suggesting that the finger of blame might as well be pointed at “poor” Hugh Hefner. At which point the camera pans to Joe, who visibly flinches at his father’s response.
If-not-me-then-some-other is I believe a valid defence - for morons.
Facebook removes 8.7m child nudity images
Generation Porn review – trapped in the valley of sex
Does pornography still drive the internet?
Not necessarily the largest player but perhaps has more of a foothold (and influence) than it should (one in seven searches?).
Sexual violence is the new normal in India – and pornography is to blame | Mari Marcel Thekaekara
Police 'overwhelmed' by child sex abuse image cases call for new approach as thousands of paedophiles seek help
Police leaders have called for a new approach to the rising number of people who view child sex abuse images online, as thousands of paedophiles seek help to stop their behaviour. At least 400 people are arrested over indecent images of children every month in England and Wales and record numbers of photos and videos are being reported. Law enforcement agencies are struggling to cope with cases, prompting the government to support programmes aiming to rehabilitate convicted paedophiles or prevent them offending. One charity has been contacted by more than 5,000 people seeking help to stop viewing child sex abuse images. The charity has seen record visits to its support website.
Ms Thornhill said the fear of being labelled a paedophile and ostracised made people unwilling to discuss their online behaviour, but that there were a “range of motivations” for viewing child sex abuse images. “Some men say they’ve been looking at pornography for a long time and they’ve become desensitised, so start looking for more and more extreme images,” she said.
Indian women’s rights campaigner says porn driving surge in underage girls being raped
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45869178
The NSPCC survey - the first of its kind - suggests use of video chats and live-streaming among children has risen rapidly. Some 29% of secondary school children have broadcast themselves online according to the findings - almost three times a previous estimate, by Ofcom, that suggested one in 10 children aged 12 to 15 had live-streamed. The charity said the rise was likely to be down to the introduction of live-streaming capabilities on some of the biggest social media platforms. The NSPCC said it was now calling on the government to create an independent regulator to force social networks into introducing measures that make children safer. Of the children surveyed who had video-chatted with someone they had not met, one in 10 had been asked to get undressed. Some 19% of primary school children surveyed had live-streamed, with 8% of those saying that another person live-streaming was semi-naked at the time. One girl, aged 10-11, told the charity: "My friend was doing a live-stream and an adult man was asking for her to video request him, so she did and he showed his private parts." Another girl, aged 11-12, said while on video chat "this man was pulling, touching, and showing his privates".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44233544
The Internet Watch Foundation conducted an investigation between August and October 2017, where it discovered 2,082 sexual abuse images sourced through live streaming. Of that sample group, 28% of the children were between seven and 10 years old, and 69% of the victims were between 11 and 13 years old.
I'm sure just as many links can be found for evidence showing that porn has not had any great effect since its arrival on the internet, and it is difficult to prove causation, but I'm more than suspicious that it has had and is having quite a negative effect. Opinion of course. And children have always been abused, so why is it important that just another method is being used? Perhaps because internet porn might be encouraging it.
In order to stand out in a crowded genre, porn documentaries must reveal something surprising and new. It is a triumph for the makers of Generation Porn on Channel 4, therefore, that within the first few minutes of episode one, we are hit with a startling fact about Twitter. “What people don’t realise about Twitter,” boss of cult porn series Fake Taxi Joe Todd shrugs, “is it’s one of the biggest porn sites in the world.” Todd divulges this information in a matter-of-fact way after demonstrating how a 13-year-old child can, in a couple of clicks, alter their privacy and safety settings on Twitter to gain access to hardcore pornographic videos.
Like many other sites - Facebook, Instagram, Google Images, etc., perhaps?
Unsettling footage in Prague, where Fake Taxi is filmed, shows Todd and his father Jonathan standing hip to hip, watching a porn film being shot. Todd appears to have conflicted feelings about how easily youngsters can access hardcore pornography. Although he worries about the impact porn could have on children, a big part of Joe’s job is to post Fake Taxi videos to hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers. Jonathan appears to have less of a conscience. When asked if he feels responsible for making porn so accessible to young people, the co-founder of YouPorn comes up with a garbled argument, suggesting that the finger of blame might as well be pointed at “poor” Hugh Hefner. At which point the camera pans to Joe, who visibly flinches at his father’s response.
If-not-me-then-some-other is I believe a valid defence - for morons.
Facebook removes 8.7m child nudity images
Generation Porn review – trapped in the valley of sex
Does pornography still drive the internet?
Not necessarily the largest player but perhaps has more of a foothold (and influence) than it should (one in seven searches?).
Sexual violence is the new normal in India – and pornography is to blame | Mari Marcel Thekaekara
Police 'overwhelmed' by child sex abuse image cases call for new approach as thousands of paedophiles seek help
Police leaders have called for a new approach to the rising number of people who view child sex abuse images online, as thousands of paedophiles seek help to stop their behaviour. At least 400 people are arrested over indecent images of children every month in England and Wales and record numbers of photos and videos are being reported. Law enforcement agencies are struggling to cope with cases, prompting the government to support programmes aiming to rehabilitate convicted paedophiles or prevent them offending. One charity has been contacted by more than 5,000 people seeking help to stop viewing child sex abuse images. The charity has seen record visits to its support website.
Ms Thornhill said the fear of being labelled a paedophile and ostracised made people unwilling to discuss their online behaviour, but that there were a “range of motivations” for viewing child sex abuse images. “Some men say they’ve been looking at pornography for a long time and they’ve become desensitised, so start looking for more and more extreme images,” she said.
Indian women’s rights campaigner says porn driving surge in underage girls being raped
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45869178
The NSPCC survey - the first of its kind - suggests use of video chats and live-streaming among children has risen rapidly. Some 29% of secondary school children have broadcast themselves online according to the findings - almost three times a previous estimate, by Ofcom, that suggested one in 10 children aged 12 to 15 had live-streamed. The charity said the rise was likely to be down to the introduction of live-streaming capabilities on some of the biggest social media platforms. The NSPCC said it was now calling on the government to create an independent regulator to force social networks into introducing measures that make children safer. Of the children surveyed who had video-chatted with someone they had not met, one in 10 had been asked to get undressed. Some 19% of primary school children surveyed had live-streamed, with 8% of those saying that another person live-streaming was semi-naked at the time. One girl, aged 10-11, told the charity: "My friend was doing a live-stream and an adult man was asking for her to video request him, so she did and he showed his private parts." Another girl, aged 11-12, said while on video chat "this man was pulling, touching, and showing his privates".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44233544
The Internet Watch Foundation conducted an investigation between August and October 2017, where it discovered 2,082 sexual abuse images sourced through live streaming. Of that sample group, 28% of the children were between seven and 10 years old, and 69% of the victims were between 11 and 13 years old.
I'm sure just as many links can be found for evidence showing that porn has not had any great effect since its arrival on the internet, and it is difficult to prove causation, but I'm more than suspicious that it has had and is having quite a negative effect. Opinion of course. And children have always been abused, so why is it important that just another method is being used? Perhaps because internet porn might be encouraging it.
Riders
Well-Known Member
Generation Porn is a deeply unsettling look into the impact of internet porn
In order to stand out in a crowded genre, porn documentaries must reveal something surprising and new. It is a triumph for the makers of Generation Porn on Channel 4, therefore, that within the first few minutes of episode one, we are hit with a startling fact about Twitter. “What people don’t realise about Twitter,” boss of cult porn series Fake Taxi Joe Todd shrugs, “is it’s one of the biggest porn sites in the world.” Todd divulges this information in a matter-of-fact way after demonstrating how a 13-year-old child can, in a couple of clicks, alter their privacy and safety settings on Twitter to gain access to hardcore pornographic videos.
Like many other sites - Facebook, Instagram, Google Images, etc., perhaps?
Unsettling footage in Prague, where Fake Taxi is filmed, shows Todd and his father Jonathan standing hip to hip, watching a porn film being shot. Todd appears to have conflicted feelings about how easily youngsters can access hardcore pornography. Although he worries about the impact porn could have on children, a big part of Joe’s job is to post Fake Taxi videos to hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers. Jonathan appears to have less of a conscience. When asked if he feels responsible for making porn so accessible to young people, the co-founder of YouPorn comes up with a garbled argument, suggesting that the finger of blame might as well be pointed at “poor” Hugh Hefner. At which point the camera pans to Joe, who visibly flinches at his father’s response.
If-not-me-then-some-other is I believe a valid defence - for morons.
Facebook removes 8.7m child nudity images
Generation Porn review – trapped in the valley of sex
Does pornography still drive the internet?
Not necessarily the largest player but perhaps has more of a foothold (and influence) than it should (one in seven searches?).
Sexual violence is the new normal in India – and pornography is to blame | Mari Marcel Thekaekara
Police 'overwhelmed' by child sex abuse image cases call for new approach as thousands of paedophiles seek help
Police leaders have called for a new approach to the rising number of people who view child sex abuse images online, as thousands of paedophiles seek help to stop their behaviour. At least 400 people are arrested over indecent images of children every month in England and Wales and record numbers of photos and videos are being reported. Law enforcement agencies are struggling to cope with cases, prompting the government to support programmes aiming to rehabilitate convicted paedophiles or prevent them offending. One charity has been contacted by more than 5,000 people seeking help to stop viewing child sex abuse images. The charity has seen record visits to its support website.
Ms Thornhill said the fear of being labelled a paedophile and ostracised made people unwilling to discuss their online behaviour, but that there were a “range of motivations” for viewing child sex abuse images. “Some men say they’ve been looking at pornography for a long time and they’ve become desensitised, so start looking for more and more extreme images,” she said.
Indian women’s rights campaigner says porn driving surge in underage girls being raped
Why children should be wary of live-streaming
The NSPCC survey - the first of its kind - suggests use of video chats and live-streaming among children has risen rapidly. Some 29% of secondary school children have broadcast themselves online according to the findings - almost three times a previous estimate, by Ofcom, that suggested one in 10 children aged 12 to 15 had live-streamed. The charity said the rise was likely to be down to the introduction of live-streaming capabilities on some of the biggest social media platforms. The NSPCC said it was now calling on the government to create an independent regulator to force social networks into introducing measures that make children safer. Of the children surveyed who had video-chatted with someone they had not met, one in 10 had been asked to get undressed. Some 19% of primary school children surveyed had live-streamed, with 8% of those saying that another person live-streaming was semi-naked at the time. One girl, aged 10-11, told the charity: "My friend was doing a live-stream and an adult man was asking for her to video request him, so she did and he showed his private parts." Another girl, aged 11-12, said while on video chat "this man was pulling, touching, and showing his privates".
Children under 13 groomed on live streams
The Internet Watch Foundation conducted an investigation between August and October 2017, where it discovered 2,082 sexual abuse images sourced through live streaming. Of that sample group, 28% of the children were between seven and 10 years old, and 69% of the victims were between 11 and 13 years old.
I'm sure just as many links can be found for evidence showing that porn has not had any great effect since its arrival on the internet, and it is difficult to prove causation, but I'm more than suspicious that it has had and is having quite a negative effect. Opinion of course. And children have always been abused, so why is it important that just another method is being used? Perhaps because internet porn might be encouraging it.
There is a lot of folks addicted to internet porn.
InChrist
Free4ever
Here is an excellent article written by a woman who has lived in and come out of the porn industry...
"There is a prevailing belief in our culture that porn is not only harmless, but empowering to the women involved. The line of thinking goes something like this: “Women in porn are consenting adults, doing this by choice. They are empowered by virtue of their sexually liberation. And good for them for using what ‘God gave them’ to get …"
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IS PORN EMPOWERING TO THE WOMEN INVOLVED?
"There is a prevailing belief in our culture that porn is not only harmless, but empowering to the women involved. The line of thinking goes something like this: “Women in porn are consenting adults, doing this by choice. They are empowered by virtue of their sexually liberation. And good for them for using what ‘God gave them’ to get …"
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IS PORN EMPOWERING TO THE WOMEN INVOLVED?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That does not look like a very reliable source. How do we know that is not the made up claims of an anti-porn activist? It is clearly not an unbiased source. Did you go to the home page?
InChrist
Free4ever
Did you? I did and I find it reliable. I read the account of the woman who started it and her own experience in the sex industry. It looks like she works with victims of sexual exploitation , as well as with various law enforcement agencies.
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Riders
Well-Known Member
So with all the negativity about porn on this thread, I will say yes anytime a woman has to make a film and has to perform a sex act oral sex intercourse or any of that type of thing then yes she has to be submissive and subjects herself to abuse. The person shes with whom she doesn't even know could become very abusive off the set its dangerous.
However when it comes to soft porn magazines, Play boy or Play girl with the men, Penthouse etc,,,,,,,,,,I don't see the issue, women aren't committing a sex act with a stranger and I do not believe Playboy bunnies are abused. Just my two cents.
However when it comes to soft porn magazines, Play boy or Play girl with the men, Penthouse etc,,,,,,,,,,I don't see the issue, women aren't committing a sex act with a stranger and I do not believe Playboy bunnies are abused. Just my two cents.
InChrist
Free4ever
Appreciate your thoughts.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Seriously if you cannot support your claims with valid sources you only make them look as if those claims were made up.
What you need to do is to find a source that interviews actual porn stars. Video is a must, no nudity or ludeness, but any person can claim to be Jenna Jameson.
YouTube has quite a few interviews posted. There do not seem to be very many that support the claim of the site that you linked. And these are real porn stars. You could Google search any of them and probably watch the scenes that they have made. For free in many cases.
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Can you say "confirmation bias"? If a woman involved in the porn industry wrote a piece about her personal experience being positive and empowering, would you give it the same credence?