DavidFirth
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Heavens no. I was taught that Catholics believe that one gets to heaven based on their works. Of course now I know that is quite incorrect.
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Deidre's Journey
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Heavens no. I was taught that Catholics believe that one gets to heaven based on their works. Of course now I know that is quite incorrect.
Noooo, and I was just starting to like you.I'm kidding!
My parents are Catholic, dismayed every single day over my choice to leave the RCC. lol
Spiderman
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I like how Protestants tell us Catholics we're going to hell for praying to Mary and the saints
I'm kidding!
My parents are Catholic, dismayed every single day over my choice to leave the RCC. lol
DavidFirth
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I'm kidding!
My parents are Catholic, dismayed every single day over my choice to leave the RCC. lol
Well, I'm considered a very liberal sort of Catholic. I think what I believe contains all of Scripture but that whatever church - be it Catholic, Protestant, or whatever - must submit to scripture, especially the NT. All Church doctrines and traditions are secondary and when not scriptural, they do not need to be obeyed.
Jesus was telling the Pharisees that their traditions violated scripture and therefore were invalid. Of course I agree.
DavidFirth
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If you truly believe John 3:16 and confess Jesus you WILL NOT go to hell.
Romans 10
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”e 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Salvation is based on faith, not works. Of course our works show our faith but our works do not get anyone into heaven.
You know, I've been reading the Bible again, it might take me a while, because I forgot how thick the Bible is. lol And I'm coming away with new insights, and perhaps God would be the Biblical God. I do believe Jesus existed, and his teachings are meaningful to me. That said, there are a lot of faiths that bring meaning to me, as well.
What is your belief about Satan? Like do you believe he ''originated'' as a fallen angel...Lucifer?
This whole journey has brought me peace. To accept the journey, to embrace it...to stop fretting over labeling ourselves. It is set me free to finally look the God of the Bible, and come away with something new. Idk if this makes sense or not.
In other news, have any of you ever made a thread, forgot about it, then someone posts in it, and you read it and think...wow, this is a great thread topic...and then you realize that you started it?
lol
I'll never believe in sainthood, I think that's a man made fallacy that the RCC concocted, not even sure why.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Satan was God's favorite, then he rebelled... maybe he rebelled because he found God too cruel and narcissistic... anyway, God wanted him to rebel and be God of this world for a timeYou know, I've been reading the Bible again, it might take me a while, because I forgot how thick the Bible is. lol And I'm coming away with new insights, and perhaps God would be the Biblical God. I do believe Jesus existed, and his teachings are meaningful to me. That said, there are a lot of faiths that bring meaning to me, as well.
What is your belief about Satan? Like do you believe he ''originated'' as a fallen angel...Lucifer?
This whole journey has brought me peace. To accept the journey, to embrace it...to stop fretting over labeling ourselves. It is set me free to finally look the God of the Bible, and come away with something new. Idk if this makes sense or not.
In other news, have any of you ever made a thread, forgot about it, then someone posts in it, and you read it and think...wow, this is a great thread topic...and then you realize that you started it?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
The Saint has to work two miracles after their death to be canonized
DavidFirth
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You know, I've been reading the Bible again, it might take me a while, because I forgot how thick the Bible is. lol And I'm coming away with new insights, and perhaps God would be the Biblical God. I do believe Jesus existed, and his teachings are meaningful to me. That said, there are a lot of faiths that bring meaning to me, as well.
What is your belief about Satan? Like do you believe he ''originated'' as a fallen angel...Lucifer?
This whole journey has brought me peace. To accept the journey, to embrace it...to stop fretting over labeling ourselves. It is set me free to finally look the God of the Bible, and come away with something new. Idk if this makes sense or not.
In other news, have any of you ever made a thread, forgot about it, then someone posts in it, and you read it and think...wow, this is a great thread topic...and then you realize that you started it?
Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
God searches for followers that believe in Him and love Him for who He is. God loves you, no matter what you've said or done, i.e. loves you for who you are, and will save anyone and everyone who believes in Jesus as I quoted Paul above in Romans 10.
As far as Satan is concerned, the way I understand it is that he was Lucifer, perhaps an archangel, and that he fell from grace due to his pride. He wanted to be worshipped like God and when God said no, he became Satan, the embodiment and the very personification of evil, founder of evil. Satan said in his heart,
Isaiah 14
12How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
14I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
Some say Isaiah wasn't talking about Satan here but I think that he was.
How can mere mortals decide who can be a saint? It just seems so Catholic. lol
Spiderman
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The Church teaches that everybody in heaven is a saint. Your grandma is a Saint...just not canonized
I don't think God is narcissistic, maybe he is who he is, and we can accept it or not. I want to believe that God, the one I'm discovering on this journey, is a god of love, but a god of plans. His plans might not make sense, but if he is God, then he probably knows better than me. Does that make sense?
Spiderman
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Yes it does...you're so precious!
*Smootches* I'm glad to see that you are finding faith again and to see you defending God. I didn't think I'd see that from you. It's cute! Yes, God is a god of love and a god of plans. he knows better than us
DavidFirth
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It makes sense. God's thoughts are not like our thoughts, His thoughts are as much on a higher level than ours as our thoughts are above those of the smallest insects.
Dear journal;
I wish each day had more hours within it to do more of what I wanted. But, would that be necessary or is it that I just don't spend my time wisely? I think I do, but maybe I don't. I feel a sense of peace just the same, and I've finally come to that part of my spiritual journey where things just click and flow, and I'm not worrying over what to label myself. I also believe in Jesus again, more importantly...his love...his message. I don't know if this has come from reading the Bible again, because I'm nowhere near the NT, yet, but the OT is not as vicious as I once thought. Well, it is in some areas, but maybe that was the times, and the people were vicious, not God. Like today, people are still vicious today, but they are also good. Mankind hasn't changed too much it seems, we all still are capable of good and bad, all in 24 hours.
I'm grateful for these epiphanies lately, and I still find value in other faiths, too. I listened to a sufi song today, one I had listened to a while back when I explored Islam. Sufism is the mystical side of Islam, and depending on who you talk to, some Muslims think it's a more heretical type of Islam, while others say it's the manifestation of Islam, in a different way...a mystical way. But the song moved me like it did when I first heard it, this beautiful Arabic voice singing about Allah, and for that moment, I don't care about religion, just that she is connecting to God, in her way.
Like we might all be trying to do.
I wish each day had more hours within it to do more of what I wanted. But, would that be necessary or is it that I just don't spend my time wisely? I think I do, but maybe I don't. I feel a sense of peace just the same, and I've finally come to that part of my spiritual journey where things just click and flow, and I'm not worrying over what to label myself. I also believe in Jesus again, more importantly...his love...his message. I don't know if this has come from reading the Bible again, because I'm nowhere near the NT, yet, but the OT is not as vicious as I once thought. Well, it is in some areas, but maybe that was the times, and the people were vicious, not God. Like today, people are still vicious today, but they are also good. Mankind hasn't changed too much it seems, we all still are capable of good and bad, all in 24 hours.
I'm grateful for these epiphanies lately, and I still find value in other faiths, too. I listened to a sufi song today, one I had listened to a while back when I explored Islam. Sufism is the mystical side of Islam, and depending on who you talk to, some Muslims think it's a more heretical type of Islam, while others say it's the manifestation of Islam, in a different way...a mystical way. But the song moved me like it did when I first heard it, this beautiful Arabic voice singing about Allah, and for that moment, I don't care about religion, just that she is connecting to God, in her way.
Like we might all be trying to do.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I found your post delicious!
I'm so glad you believe in Jesus again and his love for you. I prayed he would enter your heart again, but I know he was actually living in and moving your heart as an atheist.
Just take from the Bible what jives with your conscience and leave the rest. If you want to know Gods feelings for Deidre Marie, just read the song of Solomon.
Could you please share the Sufi song? I prayed at a mosque with Sufis in New York. They were nice cept for one Palestinian who smelled alcohol on my breath. Oops!
A blessed joyful day to you, Deidre Marie!
I knew you when that happened with your sufis in NY. lolI found your post delicious!
I'm so glad you believe in Jesus again and his love for you. I prayed he would enter your heart again, but I know he was actually living in and moving your heart as an atheist.
Just take from the Bible what jives with your conscience and leave the rest. If you want to know Gods feelings for Deidre Marie, just read the song of Solomon.
Could you please share the Sufi song? I prayed at a mosque with Sufis in New York. They were nice cept for one Palestinian who smelled alcohol on my breath. Oops!
A blessed joyful day to you, Deidre Marie!
It's this song that I listened to...
DavidFirth
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May God bless Deidre, Popeadope, and St. Frankenstein on this fine day!
