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Democracy is Hypocrisy!

Bismillah

Bismillah

Submit
Really now? No such thing as a corrupt Islamic leader? As for there not being any Islamic states:
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What do you think is corrupt of Iran's president. Not whether you agree or disagree with his policies, but his government is fairly resistant to the corruption that is prevalent among the majority of Middle Eastern countries. Why don't you give me an example of a country run by Islamic law.
 
xkatz

xkatz

Well-Known Member
Abibi said:
Incompetence wouldn't be necessarily be remedied, but corruption would be, for a large part, eliminated. I believe that if those who governed states such as Egypt or Pakistan were truly Muslim, then corruption would be almost non-existent as opposed to its current impact on today's governments.
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It is up to the individual(s) to decide if they want to moral or amoral, not Islam.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
Sufi said:
Mr Caladan instead of responding intellectually and contextually sees again an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam in general but hey i dont expect much from a Zionist.
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There was nothing in Caladan's post that attacked, or even criticized, Muslims or Islam in general. He was just stating the facts. Malcolm's religion at the time he made those remarks was something most Muslims wouldn't consider Islam at all. The Nation of Islam believes that W. D. Fard was Allah incarnate, and that Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975) was a messenger of Allah. In 1964, the year before he died, Malcolm converted to Islam, made the pilgrimage to Mecca, and renounced many of his former views. In 1965 he was assassinated by members of the Nation of Islam. How is it attacking Muslims and Islam to point this out?
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Wooo! Quotes!

malcom x said:
Islam is my religion, but I believe my religion is my personal business. It governs my personal life, my personal morals. And my religious philosophy is personal between me and the god in whom I believe; just as the religious philosophy of these others is between them and the god in whom they believe.

And this is best this way. Were we to come out here discussing religion, we’d have too many differences from the outstart and we could never get together. ... If we bring up religion, we’ll be in an argument, and the best way to keep away from arguments and differences, as I said earlier, put your religion at home — in the closet. Keep it between you and your god. Because if it hasn’t done anything more for you than it has, you need to forget it anyway.
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Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Sufi said:
I gotta correct you there the worst form of government would be the zionist Israeli government.

Islamic states don't exist at the moment so you can't comment on them, ask your ancestors about the freedom and justice they had under the Ottoman Caliphate all so called middle eastern countries incl Asian countries like Afghanistan & Pakistan are all secular even so called religious states like Iran and Saudi Arabia are pseudo states (if you go deeper into their constitution.
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I know. It's those attempted Islamic governments that are so disastrous. The world, and the world's Muslims, would be better off by far if they would stop trying to implement an Islamic government, don't you agree?

Are you arguing for a return to a medieval theocratic Empire?
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

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I know. It's those attempted Islamic governments that are so disastrous. The world, and the world's Muslims, would be better off by far if they would stop trying to implement an Islamic government, don't you agree?
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The world would be a much better place without puppet regimes supported by imperialistic countries that dominate the poorer areas of the world.
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Abibi said:
Only if the counter example is true (i.e that there is an Islamic practice that is immoral). Since there are none and a Muslim is by definition submitting to Islam, then there is no such thing as an immoral Muslim practice.
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Your argument would be contingent on a.) Anything Islamic being moral, which is very debatable, and b.) A Muslim ends being a Muslim precisely at the times that he does anything not outlined in the Qu'ran, and becomes a Muslim the moment he is doing something moral. And since no Muslim can live sinlessly their entire lives, that would make being a Muslim impossible.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Sufi said:
Bicker? you mean terror it's a well known fact that the West & Israel support tyrannical (secular) rulers like Husni Mubarak your Israeli government praised Mr Mubarak multiple times and Mr Obama labelled Egypt a Democracy ridiculous it's a well known fact that the Egyptian people want the Ikhwan party but Mr Mubarak with his tyrannical army & police with the help & support from the West (especially the USA) keeps such puppet governments in their place same goes for Jordan with it's western style monarchy and napoleonic style constitution it has nothing to with bickering it has everything to do with Western imperialistic countries prevending muslims from establishing an Islamic government especially by placing tyrannical secularists as presidents.
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If the Arabs are too weak, they only have themselves to blame.

Israel has proven to be the most oppressive state in the region with it's barbaric attacks on women & children.
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Yes, Israel can be very brutal to the Palestinians, but don't try to delude the readers here, the nations around Israel do far more primitive and brutal things to their own citizens.

At the end of the day Islam will be established in those countries and corrupt governments will collapse just wait and see.
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Sure, I always enjoy a good fantasy fiction.
 
gnomon

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Sufi said:
Israel has proven to be the most oppressive state in the region with it's barbaric attacks on women & children.
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I'm going to go talk to the Kurds.

Then a trip to Pakistan. I mean, you will find no greater solidarity among the people than Pakistan.







WHOOOOOOOOOOOO BOY!
 
Sufi

Sufi

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There are a lot of passionate and dedicated intellectuals scholars doctors and laymen that are willing to struggle for an Islamic state in their countries (Somalia,Egypt,Jordan,Afghanistan,Iraq) to name a few examples i personally believe that every muslim should struggle to establish an Islamic state. Return of the Islamic Khilafah(Caliphate) stands high on the priorities list.
 
Sufi

Sufi

Member
Secularism is paleo polytheism in neo form it was enforced and implemented in our countries by tyrannical secular dictators (backed by the West/Israel) especially in Egypt and Jordan.
 
tomato1236

tomato1236

Ninja Master
I don't understand how police violence against blacks makes democracy in general hypocracy. Doesn't it just mean a racist culture and a corrupt police force?
 
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