Democrate part is communist

[Jollybear]

No more than Christian or Islamic.

I dont care, lets go with what WORKS.

 

[Jollybear]

Ha ha ha! Like... you think that Mussolini was a Communist?

How bizarre. ....... obtuse.

I dont care what he was or wasnt. Not all fascists are communists, but all communists are fascists.

No....... you no have clue about the bible.
You certainly never studied the poor laws of Moses.

Such ignorance.

If you say so. You dont know what i have studied. Stop pretending to know. Otherwise you only make yourself look bad in my eyes. Is that how you want to start diologues with those you disagree with?

 

[Valjean]

Jollybear said: ↑
Its not christian to get government to take from the ritch to give to the poor. Its christian to take and direct your own money to the poor. The otherway is theft and theft is UN-CHRISTIAN. Youve tikpped it upside down. Ever see those horrer movies where the demon tips the cross upside down? Well, ya, satan does that with everything.

What are tithes, if not taxes?

I dont care what he was or wasnt. Not all fascists are communists, but all communists are fascists.

How are you defining "Fascist?" How are Communists Fascist?

 

[oldbadger]

I dont care what he was or wasnt. Not all fascists are communists, but all communists are fascists.

Trouble is, you seem to be a kind of extremist Christian who would do away with democracy in favour of a Theocracy (or Theonomy) subjecting the people to a Sharia kind of law cherry-picked out of the OT, with Freedom of Speech smashed up and 'love' thrown away for favour of harsh tyranny.
The extreme forums that you seem to believe in (from your previous comments) show all the above traits.

The people might actually believe that ANY kind of control was better than your kind.

If you say so. You dont know what i have studied. Stop pretending to know. Otherwise you only make yourself look bad in my eyes.

I know that haven't studied the 613 ....... for sure!
You couldn't hold a conversation about them imo.

Is that how you want to start diologues with those you disagree with?

Have a look back at how you have written to others.
I think that you need to review your ideas about who Jesus really was, how to build a decent community, how to choose leaders, how to develop legislation and how to judge rightly.

Your ideas are just a mess, is all, but on ReligiousForums we can explain our viewpoints about this, whereas in your world we'd get in to trouble for speaking out.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Trouble is, you seem to be a kind of extremist Christian who would do away with democracy in favour of a Theocracy (or Theonomy) subjecting the people to a Sharia kind of law cherry-picked out of the OT, with Freedom of Speech smashed up and 'love' thrown away for favour of harsh tyranny.
The extreme forums that you seem to believe in (from your previous comments) show all the above traits.

The people might actually believe that ANY kind of control was better than your kind.


I know that haven't studied the 613 ....... for sure!
You couldn't hold a conversation about them imo.


Have a look back at how you have written to others.
I think that you need to review your ideas about who Jesus really was, how to build a decent community, how to choose leaders, how to develop legislation and how to judge rightly.

Your ideas are just a mess, is all, but on ReligiousForums we can explain our viewpoints about this, whereas in your world we'd get in to trouble for speaking out.

Conservative religion is how we have dumbed down America...

 

[Augustus]

I wish i had time to read and respond to every post because id embarrass
all of you.

Would make a change from embarrassing yourself

Let me make this simple. Political spectrum. Right, middle, left.

Right is less regulations, less tax (i.e small government). Left is more regulation, more tax (i.e big government). Middle are people who cant make up there mind.

You are the textbook case for how facile left/right thinking about politics makes people less intelligent.

The problem is the real world is more complicated and diverse than your simplistic way of thinking, as governments pursue a wide variety of approaches to governance.

Singapore: highly capitalistic, low business regulation, low tax yet excellent public services ("big government") and significant social controls with limited democracy/free speech.

Communism?

Big government = communism.

Like the 70% tax rate that made JFK an "anti-communist"?

Do you think America undergoes a fundamental revolution that dramatically alters the fundamental nature of society every time the government changes even though 99% of everything stays the same? Or are you just talking out of your arse?

 

[oldbadger]

Conservative religion is how we have dumbed down America...

You sure do need your moderates, liberals, Democrats and socialists..... Hundreds of millions of them.

I have debated with extreme feminists for years, but having read so many extremist Christians I now do understand why there are so many tough line feminists in the US. A fundie Christian Theocracy would subdue women back to the dark ages. Where I live there are very few Extremist Christians around and hence this could be why women in general here are more moderate with their general equality issues and movements.

 

[Sand Dancer]

You sure do need your moderates, liberals, Democrats and socialists..... Hundreds of millions of them.

I have debated with extreme feminists for years, but having read so many extremist Christians I now do understand why there are so many tough line feminists in the US. A fundie Christian Theocracy would subdue women back to the dark ages. Where I live there are very few Extremist Christians around and hence this could be why women in general here are more moderate with their general equality issues and movements.

Hmm, you might be right. People get so fed up that they go completely the opposite direction. I think that's normal for a period of time though, until the anger subsides, then people tend to drift back closer to the middle. As an ex-fundy and ex-far right GOP member myself, I was very angry for a few years after leaving them, and now am starting to mellow out. However, I still can't let extremists of either side slip falsehoods and silliness into the picture. They always need to be held accountable. You are lucky to be around normal Christians. They are good to have around.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In the communist system it leads to collaps. Under a debt forgiveness system and low interest system, it dont.

Just making sure you are good with a government taking your land and giving it the original owners. Also having to leave some of your farm open to the poor taking your crops. Good stuff.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I dont care, lets go with what WORKS.

That's the problem. Violence, no matter where it comes from, doesn't work.

 

[oldbadger]

Just making sure you are good with a government taking your land and giving it the original owners. Also having to leave some of your farm open to the poor taking your crops. Good stuff.

Absolutely! That's one of the 23 poor laws, right there.
Another one is that the wealthy are required, by law, to provide for the poor and to offer them pledge-free loans as far as their working needs go.

Fundie Christians go incredibly quiet when told about the poor-laws, some even insist that Jesus redacted them all!!! Amazing.

 

[Augustus]

The USA bailed out banks and still peoples houses got foreclosed. Thats backwards. Thats communism right there at work.

Some more names to add to the Red Menace list:

George W Bush: Massive commie
Hank Paulson (Republican treasury secretary and ex CEO of the radically egalitarian organisation Goldman Sachs): Communist kingpin


Keep them coming, you're on a roll...

 

[Skreeper]

I dont care what he was or wasnt. Not all fascists are communists, but all communists are fascists.

Anyone with a bachelor of economics or political sciences just facepalmed in sync. Scratch that... Anyone with a double digit IQ who has a basic education in politics also facepalmed really hard.

Go back to school buddy, you really need it.

 

[oldbadger]

@Jollybear ... so how do you think that you're doing so far?
Your biggest of many blunders on this thread within this forum is that sensible and reasonable folks can show up your dreadful ideas without fear of being chucked off the forum, which is what can happen on many extremist Christian forums that you might frequent.

It has been such a privilege to be able to gain-say your dreadful ideas without fear of any reprisals.

 

[Jollybear]

Some more names to add to the Red Menace list:

George W Bush: Massive commie
Hank Paulson (Republican treasury secretary and ex CEO of the radically egalitarian organisation Goldman Sachs): Communist kingpin


Keep them coming, you're on a roll...

Hey, communism infiltrates.

Just making sure you are good with a government taking your land and giving it the original owners. Also having to leave some of your farm open to the poor taking your crops. Good stuff.

The point is, debt cancellation and low interest rates on loans and communism are not the same.

Anyone with a bachelor of economics or political sciences just facepalmed in sync. Scratch that... Anyone with a double digit IQ who has a basic education in politics also facepalmed really hard.

Ya, well milton friedmon whom i agree with on alot of views would disagree with you. And he has a PHD and he worked in government and won a nobel prize in economics.

So instead of bashing, address things by making real arguments or.......shut the hell up.

Go back to school buddy, you really need it.

Look in the mirror and say it again.

@Jollybear ... so how do you think that you're doing so far?
Your biggest of many blunders on this thread within this forum is that sensible and reasonable folks can show up your dreadful ideas without fear of being chucked off the forum, which is what can happen on many extremist Christian forums that you might frequent.

I dont go on any christian forums. This is the only forum im active on and i barely got time for this one, let alone 2!

I use to go on a christian dorum in the past before this obe. A long time ago. I got banned from it due to having an unorthodox view on something. But, i dont care.

It has been such a privilege to be able to gain-say your dreadful ideas without fear of any reprisals.

Its fine to disagree, id hope though you address the real issues.

 

[Jollybear]

What are tithes, if not taxes?
How are you defining "Fascist?" How are Communists Fascist?

In the days of moses, tithes wer taxes under the theocracy.

In the days of Jesus, rome ruled. It was not a theocracy. Tithes wer free will support for the synagogues and the temple.

Fascists are authoritarian dictatorship.

Communism is full government control, this it is by default fascists in order to implement its system.

However not all fascists are communists. Some kings give great freedom to its people.

 

[Augustus]

Hey, communism infiltrates.

Yes dear, George W Bush is one of the reds under the bed just like his tax raising pappy. Red Ronnie Reagan must have got 'infiltrated' when he started hiking taxes, and supporting 'communist' regimes like Pinochet's Chile, etc.

Those devious commies got to get up pretty early in the morning to sneak one past someone as learned and vigilant as you...

 

[Jollybear]

Yes dear, George W Bush is one of the reds under the bed just like his tax raising pappy. Red Ronnie Reagan must have got 'infiltrated' when he started hiking taxes, and supporting 'communist' regimes like Pinochet's Chile, etc.

Those devious commies got to get up pretty early in the morning to sneak one past someone as learned and vigilant as you...

Are you mocking or denying?

Communism did/does infiltrate and theres a good amount of evidence for that. I dont mind discussing it, if you want to. But, do not make this about me, like "as learned and vigilant as you" refering to me.

If you want to discuss it, be pointed and lets do it. Do you believe or not that communism infiltrates? Yes or no?

 

[Augustus]

Are you mocking or denying?

Communism did/does infiltrate and theres a good amount of evidence for that. I dont mind discussing it, if you want to. But, do not make this about me, like "as learned and vigilant as you" refering to me.

If you want to discuss it, be pointed and lets do it. Do you believe or not that communism infiltrates? Yes or no?

You said the bank bailout was communist.

I pointed out that it was devised and implemented by Bush jnr and ex-Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson, therefore you must believe GWB and HP are commies.

You then said 'communism infiltrates'.

Do you genuinely believe GWB and HP were 'communist infiltrators'?

 

[Valjean]

Communism is full government control, this it is by default fascists in order to implement its system

But "the government" is the people. All the people; sitting down in informal meetings, town halls, committees, &c to decide on issues. There are no authoritarian leaders. There are only common citizens chosen on an ad hoc basis to organize various projects.

It's a co-op, not a dictatorship.

Just because an authoritarian dictatorship in Russia or China calls itself "Communist" doesn't make it so.