Jose Fly
Fisker of men
But it's funny enough for quasi-words, like "the democrate part".
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Democrate part is communist
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Prometheus85
Active Member
Democrate website
Communist party usa website
Definition of communism
"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
Definition of socialism
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Notice the staunch similarity? Practically identical.
Now some quotes from the democrate site
"Democrats believe that our economy should strengthen our country and work for every American"
"making sure corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street pay their fair share."
"Democrats cut taxes for working families, provided help for small businesses and homeowners"
"Democrats provided relief for hardworking Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own."
"making debt-free college available to all Americans, cracking down on companies that ship profits and jobs overseas, fighting for equal pay and paid leave, and ensuring the wealthiest citizens and largest corporations pay their fair share"
Now quotes from the communist site
"The transition to a socialist USA will be shaped by our country’s unique history and culture. Its wonderfully diverse working class and people will shape it."
"The means to achieve this goal will have to correspond to the end– solidarity, empathy, equality community, compassion and a dedication to putting people and our planet before profits."
"radical economic, political, social and cultural change."
Ok, basically what we got going on here and for you to see this you NEED a critical eye.
All of this is saying in its essence, government control. No liberty.
On one hand they are saying they want equality for all or prosperity for all.
But, you dont get that by over taxing the wealthy. Thats how the wealthy take there companies, along with there jobs out of your countries. And that then collapses your countries.
This is where the LIE of democrate/communism is.
Its a lie. And all you lefties are blind to it and you need to wake up. In particular all this younger generation needs to wake up to it before you destroy your countries.
the GOP has a long history of making facile comparisons between ordinary Democratic policy proposals and “socialism” and I see you’re continuing that trend. Despite the fact that no democrats describe themselves as such. This pseudo-story not only has rendered the term “socialism” meaningless—conflating national health insurance and graduated tax systems with a government takeover of the entire economy but it is erasing important distinctions in Democratic candidates’ policies that ought to be the focus of debate.
Can you provide any evidence of a Democrat labeling themselves communist or socialist?
Jollybear
Hey
But it's funny enough for quasi-words, like "the democrate party".
Whats so funny about it? Can you refute anything in the OP? I made solid points.
Jollybear
Hey
They dont have to LABEL themselves communist. All they have to do is demonstrate there ideas are the same as communist in order to be communist.
And my OP shows this. And i just showed it using sections of there websites. Theres lots more on the websites to show it.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Of course.
Start with this....according to to the OP, one of the central tenets of communism is government ownership of business and the abolishment of private enterprise. Where is the US Democrat Party calling for that?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's good point. Wither the far left, or far right , the end result is identical.
Loss of individual and economic freedom occurs.
Only because of the system where their are no checks to the supreme leader. In a system with checks in division of leadership as an executive branch a legislative branch and a judicial branch equally powered it could work.
Also so communism hasn't worked yet what are you offering that is better. Which government does work. Socialism has been pretty successful without turning to full communism in the world today.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So is that why republicans have always supported LGBT rights, reproductive rights, and cannabis legalization?
Oh, wait...
Flipping the OP 180 degrees around:
Republicans believe that our economy should weaken our country and not work for every American
Republicans want to ensure corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street don't pay their fair share
Republicans cut taxes mostly for the super wealthy and gigantic corporations and not for working families
Republicans don't want to provided relief for hardworking Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
(and let me add a few)
Republicans don't believe that people should get health care unless they are wealthy enough to afford it.
Republicans don't believe that people are entitled to clean air and water unless they are rich enough to afford it.
Republicans believing in propping up dying businesses like coal rather than invest in future green technologies.
(and to go from the Republican party to the Trumpian party)
Trumpians believe it's perfectly OK to lie, cheat and steal if you are a Trumpian.
Trumpians believe that laws are for other people rather than Donny and themselves.
Trumpians believe that groping women is perfectly OK
Trumpians believe that the Constitution is just a piece of paper and that Trump can do whatever he likes.
Republicans believe that our economy should weaken our country and not work for every American
Republicans want to ensure corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street don't pay their fair share
Republicans cut taxes mostly for the super wealthy and gigantic corporations and not for working families
Republicans don't want to provided relief for hardworking Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
(and let me add a few)
Republicans don't believe that people should get health care unless they are wealthy enough to afford it.
Republicans don't believe that people are entitled to clean air and water unless they are rich enough to afford it.
Republicans believing in propping up dying businesses like coal rather than invest in future green technologies.
(and to go from the Republican party to the Trumpian party)
Trumpians believe it's perfectly OK to lie, cheat and steal if you are a Trumpian.
Trumpians believe that laws are for other people rather than Donny and themselves.
Trumpians believe that groping women is perfectly OK
Trumpians believe that the Constitution is just a piece of paper and that Trump can do whatever he likes.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You should tell people in Hong Kong that.
‘Damn socialism, why are you chasing me?’ Chinese-Americans see ghost of communism in Democrats’ leftward turn
Jollybear
Hey
Communism can come in different faces, but the practice is the same and result is the same.
Whats the difference if government regulates the hell out of a business and taxes there land and business to hell, vs a government that SAYS they own the land and business and thus makes the rules?
Seriously, whats the difference BESIDES name only?
There is no difference in practice and result.
The former case where government regulates the business and taxes it and its land, you may as well say the government "owns" it.
In another thread you said we should fight the threat of communism. Ok, well how would you do that? Communism is ideas. Those ideas can infiltrate parties and government.
Dont you see this?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's always going to be a matter of time for those systems to get worse.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Socialist Democrats are already trying to control businesses. Look at the plastic bag ban and all that for example. Controlling the means of production using the excuse of environmentalism to justify it all.
Additionally look at the UK. It's become a literal surveillance state where everybody is being watched and monitored continually 24/7. It's gotten to the point where they're even breaking the law with it all making grievous violations of human rights to privacy.
UK Mass Surveillance Ruled Unlawful
That's what the left is and what it's all about.
This brings to mind @Revoltingest.So is that why republicans have always supported LGBT rights, reproductive rights, and cannabis legalization?
Oh, wait...
Democrats pretend to like black people.
Republicans pretend to like small government.
Tom
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
When 'the right' say they promote liberty, they usually mean theocratically approved liberty (which obviously isn't real liberty.)
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Take a look at New York. People hardly own their personal and private property anymore. You pay for it, the state controls it.
Controlling pollutants isn't controlling all means of production.
I mean really, it's not. What are you trying to say?
Tom
Prometheus85
Active Member
name one democrat that demonstrated the ideas that’s similar to communist? Simply putting together a whole bunch of word salad doesn’t mean anything. Under communism, most property and economic resources are owned and controlled by the state. Show one democrat that purposes that
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Okay, so the Democratic Party is not calling for government ownership of businesses, nor are they calling for the abolition of private enterprise.
Next up, where is the Democratic Party calling for everyone to be paid the exact same salary, as determined by the federal government?
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So any regulation at all = government ownership of the means of production?
If I bought the property next to you and started a tire burning service and nuclear waste repository, you'd be okay with it? And if any government entity attempted to regulate what I was doing, you'd stand with me and fight it?