Democrate part is communist

[bobhikes]

It's always going to be a matter of time for those systems to get worse.

Facts supporting your arguement please

 

[Jose Fly]

No, its not zero taxes and zero laws. The taxes are of a certain kind though. Not tax on business or land, but sales taxes to pay for government services.

The laws are not laws to burden business but laws to PROTECT businesses. Like laws against theft. Simple.

So taxes on business or land = communism, and taxes on economic transactions are not. And any government regulation of business that isn't specifically beneficial to that business = communism.

That's quite different than the definition of "communism" you gave in your OP. Is there a reason you've decided to move to a very different definition of "communism"?

No, there not. But, your missing the point. By making a minimum wage, its working toward that "equality" and that lowers employment and destroys incentive to move up the economic ladder.

So the Democratic Party is not calling for everyone to make the same wage.

So far we've established that the Democratic Party is not calling for government ownership of business, is not calling for the abolition of private enterprise, and is not calling for everyone to be paid the same wage.

Remind me again exactly how the Democratic Party is communist?

 

[Jollybear]

This.

The definition of fascism is not "Conservative people that I don't agree with." The term is thus:



Basically, communism and fascism are identical except for minor points.

Fascism favors nation and race above the individual and favors strong government.
Communism favors the masses and the community (though usually they in fact have a leader that benefits) above individual and favors strong government.

Both: You < Favored Group

Also, you are an adorable fluffy bunny and I love your avatar.

So, wouldnt the "nation" and "masses" be the same thing?

 

[Brickjectivity]

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[Jollybear]

So taxes on business or land = communism, and taxes on economic transactions are not. And any government regulation of business that isn't specifically beneficial to that business = communism.

Correct.

That's quite different than the definition of "communism" you gave in your OP. Is there a reason you've decided to move to a very different definition of "communism"?

I think youve misunderstood the OP.

So the Democratic Party is not calling for everyone to make the same wage.

So far we've established that the Democratic Party is not calling for government ownership of business, is not calling for the abolition of private enterprise, and is not calling for everyone to be paid the same wage.

Remind me again exactly how the Democratic Party is communist?

You have to realize that communism is a "threat" and ANY kind of threat comes in sneaky and sinister ways.

Communism to take over america will have to do so under different names and using different words. They will also have to do it slowly through transitions.

"Ownership" is not a word they will want to use because it would come across as too THREATENING. So, they will regulate the hell out of you instead in the name of "helping" the common good.

They wont call it ownership, but they will still tax the business and land, basically showing via action that they own it.

Ever heard the expression action speaks louder then words?

Well, thats whats going on here.

 

[Jose Fly]

Correct.

And exactly where did you get that definition of "communism"?

I think youve misunderstood the OP.

This is what you wrote in the OP...

Definition of communism

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."​

But you've acknowledged that the Democratic party isn't calling for those things (gov't ownership of business, abolition of private enterprise, and equal pay for everyone). Now you're saying that taxes on businesses and/or land = communism.

You have to realize that communism is a "threat" and ANY kind of threat comes in sneaky and sinister ways.

Communism to take over america will have to do so under different names and using different words. They will also have to do it slowly through transitions.

"Ownership" is not a word they will want to use because it would come across as too THREATENING. So, they will regulate the hell out of you instead in the name of "helping" the common good.

They wont call it ownership, but they will still tax the business and land, basically showing via action that they own it.

Ever heard the expression action speaks louder then words?

Well, thats whats going on here.

From what I see, it seems your original argument has failed, but rather than adjust your position accordingly you've elected to try and redefine your way out of the problem (by redefining "communism" to mean "taxes on businesses or land").

 

[Jollybear]

And exactly where did you get that definition of "communism"?


This is what you wrote in the OP...

Definition of communism

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."​

But you've acknowledged that the Democratic party isn't calling for those things (gov't ownership of business, abolition of private enterprise, and equal pay for everyone). Now you're saying that taxes on businesses and/or land = communism.


From what I see, it seems your original argument has failed, but rather than adjust your position accordingly you've elected to try and redefine your way out of the problem (by redefining "communism" to mean "taxes on businesses or land").

And in the OP did you see the definition of socialism?

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Very similar and i got it from here

https://www.google.com/search?clien.......1.........0i71.jC7RoNF8pgA#dobs=socialism

And in the link it even says its similar to communism.

 

[Jollybear]

So is that why republicans have always supported LGBT rights, reproductive rights, and cannabis legalization?

Oh, wait...

So babies are not at liberty to life?

And LGBT they just dont pay attention to it because they DO have rights. The same rights as everyone ekse does.

As for canibis, im for legalizing that.

 

[Jose Fly]

And in the OP did you see the definition of socialism?

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Very similar and i got it from here

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&sxsrf=ACYBGNRQ9aqEBfaxi8KY5lkvsXMUgkyjCA:1572798710111&ei=9gC_XdSqBoK0ggeR-KzwAw&q=communism+definition&oq=communis+definition&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i305i39i70i249j0i7i30l2j0i10l3j0i7i30j0i10.17716.17716..19425...0.1..0.93.93.1......0....1.........0i71.jC7RoNF8pgA#dobs=socialism

And in the link it even says its similar to communism.

And where is the Democratic Party calling for public, rather than private, ownership of business?

Oh wait...we've already been over that and you had to admit they weren't calling for that.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Prometheus85]

The OP isnt word salid. I made some stark solid points in there.

Show one demicrate? I showed it from the democrate website itself.

I showed it by the definitions of socialism and communism. All your doing is resisting this.

If im regulating your business and taxing it, you may as well say i own it.

no you gave a website detailing the democrats policies that u equate with socialism/communism which leads me to believe your knowledge on the two are extremely limited and you just repeat what here on right wing media

 

[Jollybear]

And where is the Democratic Party calling for public, rather than private, ownership of business?

Oh wait...we've already been over that and you had to admit they weren't calling for that.

Thanks for your time.

The democrate party is a socialist party.

Put two and two together and it equals what there calling for.

And actions speak louder then just the words "ownership"

But, let me ask you this. You say communism is a threat. Ok, HOW is it a threat? What ways does it threaten America or other countries?

And do you concede it can infiltrate government?

 

[Jollybear]

no you gave a website detailing the democrats policies that u equate with socialism/communism which leads me to believe your knowledge on the two are extremely limited and you just repeat what here on right wing media

I didnt get it from right wing media, i got it from my own critical thinking skills. You know, that ability we all have, if we but exercise it. Try it sometime.

You havent refuted anything in my OP

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, communists are ALSO fascists. More government control is communist and fascist. Its one in the same.

The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote.

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?

I think you mean, "the more right wing you lean, the more liberty you promote for people just like you."

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, communists are ALSO fascists. More government control is communist and fascist. Its one in the same.

The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote.

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?

I was sorely tempted to put a funny fruble on this since I bust a gut. No, fascism is what you seem to support. Profits for businesses regardless of the workers. There is a sweet spot somewhere between the extremes, but you go far more extreme right than anyone that I have seen here going the other way. Perhaps there is a frothing at the mouth communist somewhere on this forum, but I have yet to see one.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"The means to achieve this goal will have to correspond to the end– solidarity, empathy, equality community, compassion and a dedication to putting people and our planet before profits."

Wow! That's horrible!

Who on earth would want empathy? Or equality? Or compassion (I mean what's that for, anyway)? Or a dedication to putting people and our planet, the only home we can possibly have right now, ahead of profits?

At the very least, it couldn't hurt all that badly to at least make putting people and our planet at least EQUAL to profits, rather than putting profits first, and everything else taking a back seat.

 

[columbus]

Wow! That's horrible!

Who on earth would want empathy? Or equality? Or compassion (I mean what's that for, anyway)? Or a dedication to putting people and our planet, the only home we can possibly have right now, ahead of profits?

At the very least, it couldn't hurt all that badly to at least make putting people and our planet at least EQUAL to profits, rather than putting profits first, and everything else taking a back seat.

Perhaps you just don't understand modern Christianity.
He explained it very well.
Tom

 

[Prometheus85]

No, communists are ALSO fascists. More government control is communist and fascist. Its one in the same.

The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote.

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?

"The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote"????

Looks like somebody needs to seriously pick up a history book.

the more right wing you lean the more your going to embrace the concept of the "inequality of outcome", meaning that one group is naturally better than another. The more right wing you lean you might also tend to embrace inequality of opportunity as well, favoring concepts such as segregation , or mass deportation of non-white people (or in general, people of other races), or sometimes even genocide.

And who are these so called communist that are just like fascists that you speak of?

 

[LuisDantas]

You should tell people in Hong Kong that.

‘Damn socialism, why are you chasing me?’ Chinese-Americans see ghost of communism in Democrats’ leftward turn

Apples with bullet trains.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hows it funny?

Because it is just SO OUT THERE.

Watch out for the moon. It just might hit your head, given how high you are flying.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is where your decieved. Communists are ALSO fascists.

Ahah.