MonkeyFire
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Demons exist, but are not real.
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My success rate? I'm only still alive and sane because of depending on God.Again these seem like mental health issues to me.
Can you explain what your success rate is like compared to antidepressants, anxiety meds and cognitive behavioural therapy? Have you done your double blind study to research the results?
In my opinion.
Why would I have to go to India, are there no demons in Australia?Wasn't trying to provide "evidence"... was giving information as per the OP.
If you are really interested, go to a mission trip to India or some other place. If you aren't interested, just enjoy RF
That raises an interesting question for me. Do you think some people would rather claim that demons are attacking them than admit they might be dealing with mental health issues?Again these seem like mental health issues to me.
Can you explain what your success rate is like compared to antidepressants, anxiety meds and cognitive behavioural therapy? Have you done your double blind study to research the results?
In my opinion.
I could see that being more socially acceptable in certain circles, but I'm not sure.That raises an interesting question for me. Do you think some people would rather claim that demons are attacking them than admit they might be dealing with mental health issues?
You are correct, but it would be interesting to see the results anyway.I'll have to look and see if there is any published research on your questions. It would be interesting to see, but I doubt it will have much impact on those that have closed their minds to any other possibilities except those they want to believe.
Once you have experienced attacks from them, you don't doubt they exist.
I believe that is a nomenclature problem. There is a concept of one's inner demons which is not another entity but is simply troubling thoughts. I believe some people think that the entities don't exist and all there is is troubling thoughts but that is an a priori position.
I believe truthful testimony is evidence.
Are you sure?
Suppose I testify I saw Elvis alive. Would that be evidence that Elvis is alive?
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So do I.
But is the testimony simply truthful about the psychological state? Or is it also truthful about the entity that is being attributed as the cause of the psychological state?
Demons to me are just metaphors for some of the things that we can't explain so easily, but where much can be explained once one delves into the processes within the mind and how these so often can go wrong. And these processes can no doubt be mistaken for 'demons', but it is hardly a useful concept when health and ridding oneself of any issues should be the first consideration rather than being condemned by others, especially by those of the religious variety.
Ah, I see. So pretty much the way we figure out how anything actually exists in the world around us, doesn't apply when it comes to demons? Suddenly it's all down to personal experiences. "Good enough for me!' Well, that's a great way to find yourself believing in all sorts of false things.i suppose you are right... then again, it isn't like we are looking for demons and then saying "Wait just a minute, let me go get my camera! Honey, run to the car, get the equipment and set up the lights. Pull out your phone, quick, I want everybody to see how I cast out demons so we can satisfy the curious".
No, actually, when the person was delivered they said, "Thank you! I felt it go out and now I am free". That was good enough for me.
You probably don't have a demon so I think you are fine
Those are called: Clinical depression or bipolar disorder (among others); panic disorder or anxiety disorder or PTSD (among others); phobias.Unexplained depression, unreasonable panic attacks, irrational fears are some possible symptoms.
That's because they are.Again these seem like mental health issues to me.
Can you explain what your success rate is like compared to antidepressants, anxiety meds and cognitive behavioural therapy? Have you done your double blind study to research the results?
In my opinion.
Therapy saved my life. It's definitely not pointless, by definition.My success rate? I'm only still alive and sane because of depending on God.
Therapy was pointless, BTW.
I am unaware of any except its own epistemological contradiction. And where does that leave us when considering the OP's question?Is there any evidence the Invisible Pink Unicorn can't exist?
We can indirectly see subatomic particles, or see results of what they do. It would be nice if things like gods, pink unicorns, etc were objective things but they aren't, and that's okay, as long as people use them to benefit themselves and not pretend everyone must see them.I am unaware of any except its own epistemological contradiction. And where does that leave us when considering the OP's question?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I would ask you why you think your question might be absurd -clearly that's your leaning- and why in asking a question you "think" is absurd, you believe that you've evidenced its absurdity without proof?
There is a theory in science which considers any non-contradictory manifested concept within human consciousness to have a realistic existence within the multiverse.
Your question reflects the important considerations of evidence in epistemology. If the evidence is unique to the individual, how should others treat it in reality?
Besides the fact that being invisible and having a particular visible color is a contradiction, why do you think those Unicorn's can't exist? Is is simply because you haven't seen one and no one your aware of claims to have as well? What happens then when someone comes along and claims they have seen a Pink unicorn? Do you dismiss their claims based on proof or on your own biased experience?
No one has actually seen a subatomic particle and such entities remain theoretical constructs not facts. Yet the majority of us accept their reality based on the testimony of others interpreted evidence. Evidence most of us have never experienced nor are capable of interpreting if we did.
For all we know their may very well be subatomic invisible unicorns pulling invisible carts full of invisible forces manifesting real effects on our macroscopic level of experience.
Hundreds of people have experienced some kind of manifested "evil" in their lives according to how they've interpreted their experience. Whether they have interpreted their experience correctly is a matter up for discussion. I for one, in the absence of contradictory statements, and in the absence of proof to the contrary, shall remain open minded.
Again I ask, in the absence of proof why should we insist that "only" the minute experience of the reality we know now should dictate what's possible in the entirety of the reality we do not yet know?
I'm not sure either, but I think that it might be more socially acceptable with certain groups.I could see that being more socially acceptable in certain circles, but I'm not sure.
You are correct, but it would be interesting to see the results anyway.
You've tried this one before.I don’t want to make anyone here on RF mad, but just to think.
So here goes….
There are many people who say they speak with their loved ones who’ve died.
But since the Bible says “the dead know nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5), and the dead go “down into silence” (Psalms 115:17; Cf. Genesis 3:19), they can’t be speaking with their loved ones. So, who are they speaking with, then?
Wicked spirits ie., “the angels that sinned” (2 Peter 2:4), those who “forsook their proper dwelling place” (Jude 1:6).
They are impostering these dead ones, like Lincoln's ghost - Wikipedia ,
to promote the false idea that when people die, they go to “another realm.”
And most every religion has some similar mistaken belief, due to their influences.
I’m sure that every day, thousands of people - if not tens of thousands - are having genuine experiences, thinking they’re speaking with their loved ones who’ve died!
There’s your evidence…. Otherwise, you’d have to call everyone who has these experiences, either delusional or liars.
That’s naïve.
For those who think they’ve actually seen their dead loved ones: do you see them dressed in the clothes they used to wear? (Many do.) Now please answer… how do their clothes turn invisible, ie., into spirit?
I’m afraid it’s all a pretense, designed to keep people misled.
IMO.