Depravity

[InChrist]

First of all, Disney owns like a quarter or more of all entertainment, but only products released under the label are considered canon by fans. Everything else produced is just another product by another company who just happens to be owned by the conglomerate. This is because they bought several companies with products that weren’t exactly family friendly to begin with. Hell they technically own Family Guy, since they bought Fox. You really going to tell me that the adult comedy is in keeping with Disney’s family friendly image?

Secondly, cannibalism isn’t exactly new to cinema. The cult classic The Hills Have Eyes from the freaking 70s did that. Cannibal Holocaust comes to mind. In fact cannibalism films were actually a sub genre of the horror films during the 70s and 80s, made predominantly by Italian directors.

And you want to talk to me about depravity? Look no further than the Western (and indeed Eastern) literary canon. Just for example the Libertine movement of the 1500s. Who would juxtapose their philosophical writings with hardcore porn. (No seriously.)
If anything we’re rather tame by comparison

Thank you for the informative post. I realize it’s not just Disney or their subsidiaries that have put out movies with such content. As I said previously, I was just highlighting Disney and this particular film because it was at one time considered family friendly. Also, the storyline of guy seducing women for the purpose of cannibalism seems like such a degrading form of entertainment to me.
Your post though serves to point out that the culture is depraved on a broad scale, has been for quite some time, and at least in my perspective continues to decline.

 

[SomeRandom]

Thank you for the informative post. I realize it’s not just Disney or their subsidiaries that have put out movies with such content. As I said previously, I was just highlighting Disney and this particular film because it was at one time considered family friendly. Also, the storyline of guy seducing women for the purpose of cannibalism seems like such a degrading form of entertainment to me.
Your post though serves to point out that the culture is depraved on a broad scale, has been for quite some time, and at least in my perspective continues to decline.

Well it’s fine if you think this movie is disturbing or depraved if you like. Everyone has their own lines drawn in the sand when it comes to entertainment. If you don’t like to see such films or read such books, there’s plenty on offer that doesn’t have such things.

As for the decline, I mean, we’re arguably better than our ancestors, technically. The difference between our generation and say the authors of the Arthurian or Robin Hood legends (common folklore of the era) is that they committed those crimes more often. Like as in the general sort of public. We just write about it.

 

[fantome profane]

First of all, Disney owns like a quarter or more of all entertainment, but only products released under the label are considered canon by fans. Everything else produced is just another product by another company who just happens to be owned by the conglomerate. This is because they bought several companies with products that weren’t exactly family friendly to begin with. Hell they technically own Family Guy, since they bought Fox. You really going to tell me that the adult comedy is in keeping with Disney’s family friendly image?

Secondly, cannibalism isn’t exactly new to cinema. The cult classic The Hills Have Eyes from the freaking 70s did that. Cannibal Holocaust comes to mind. In fact cannibalism films were actually a sub genre of the horror films during the 70s and 80s, made predominantly by Italian directors.

And not just Italian directors.

Spoiler

(And don’t click on the link and then complain. No one made you look.)

The same guy who directed Ghostbusters and countless other films. You might recognize other famous actors as well.

 

[InChrist]

That is an idiom meaning "people getting unnecessarily upset at nothing".

LOL. I did know that. I just found what FH wrote annoying. Sure some Christians had concerns about Harry Potter. That doesn’t mean they are dopes or irrational, uncontrolled fears.
My close friend had concerns about the occult and witchcraft content in the books. She didn’t have those concerns because she listened to other Christians panic about the books, but because she spent the day at the bookstore going though the books and checking them out. Why? Because she was involved in Wicca for over fifteen years before she was saved by Jesus Christ and she was very familiar with spells and witchcraft.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

As the culture sinks further into depravity, even Disney the once family-friendly company, is now producing a new movie with degrading evil. Does this surprise you or are you already desensitized to this type of content?

”Fresh, the new horror film to be shown on Disney-owned streaming platform Hulu, has been panned by critics who were stunned by the film's unexpectedly gory plot: a serial killer cannibal who carves women up after seducing them and sells their body parts to rich people to eat.”

Critics pan Disney's 'disgusting' new cannibal movie Fresh | Daily Mail Online

I looked at a trailer, and it was nothing new or shocking:

Somebody already mentioned Dexter and Silence of the Lambs, but I've been watching movies like this for a long time - Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I Spit On Your Grave, The Hills Have Eyes, U-Turn, the Halloween franchise, the Hellraiser franchise, the Saw franchise, and the Hostel franchise come to mind. Lots of gore, including human torture, dismemberment, and cannibalism.

You seem to be implying that you consider this content harmful. Otherwise, you are simply saying that you don't like it, and maybe that you wished others didn't as well. If so, I don't see it as harm. None of those movies made we want to harm others or be unduly fearful of them.

Also, although I agree that (American) culture has become degraded, it is not due to movies. Nor due to true crime stories. Nor due to removing prayer from church. Nor due to letting same sex couples marry. Nor due to pornography. Nor due to pot. Nor due to metal or rap music.

In my opinion, it is due to income inequality worsening, conservative indoctrination media, gun culture and the NRA, increasing racism, increasing selfishness, and the like.

 

[The Hammer]

Because she was involved in Wicca for over fifteen years before she was saved by Jesus Christ and she was very familiar with spells and witchcraft.

Ah, a blasphemer. Gotcha.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Thank you for the informative post. I realize it’s not just Disney or their subsidiaries that have put out movies with such content. As I said previously, I was just highlighting Disney and this particular film because it was at one time considered family friendly. Also, the storyline of guy seducing women for the purpose of cannibalism seems like such a degrading form of entertainment to me.

It sounds a bit like The Passion of the Christ without the anti-semitism.

 

[fantome profane]

Actually, I don’t think violence is a very healthy form of entertainment. Seeing or understanding violence in historical context can have educational benefits, I think. But I find a film where guy seduces women for the purpose of cannibalism to be an unhealthy form of entertainment.

Donuts are an unhealthy form of nutrition. But I have eaten a few in my life. How about you?

 

[InChrist]

It sounds a bit like The Passion of the Christ without the anti-semitism.

I did not see The Passion.

 

[InChrist]

Donuts are an unhealthy form of nutrition. But I have eaten a few in my life. How about you?

I ate donuts occasionally at one time. I don’t anymore and haven’t for 4-5 years.

 

[fantome profane]

I ate donuts occasionally at one time. I don’t anymore and haven’t for 4-5 years.

Yet I don’t see many threads about the depravity of a Boston cream or a chocolate glaze.

My point is we all enjoy things that may be unhealthy from time to time.


(Let he who is without sin throw the first pastry)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I did not see The Passion.

It depicts Gospel events as they were described, so it was pretty grotesque and depraved.

 

[InChrist]

Yet I don’t see many threads about the depravity of a Boston cream or a chocolate glaze.

Yeah, well that is a different kind of decline. Not so much morally/ culturally, but definitely nutritionally, Especially, since the majority of sweet processed foods now contain GMO high fructose corn syrup, as well as lots of other unhealthy ingredients.

 

[SomeRandom]

It sounds a bit like The Passion of the Christ without the anti-semitism.

Wasn’t that modelled after the so called “Passion Plays” from the Middle Ages, which emphasised the suffering of Jesus?

I actually remember many Christians begging Gibson to release a censored version they could take their families to. Which he did, but it got worse reviews, iirc

 

[InChrist]

It depicts Gospel events as they were described, so it was pretty grotesque and depraved.

Actually, it doesn’t depict the Gospel events accurately, but adds a lot of unbiblical scenes. So I chose not to see it...although it was the big fad at the time and our pastor insisted everyone must see it.
The Gospel accounts do indeed show the depravity of humanity, but it’s not intended for entertainment. Rather, to reveal our sinful condition and need for a Savior.

 

[fantome profane]

Wasn’t that modelled after the so called “Passion Plays” from the Middle Ages, which emphasised the suffering of Jesus?

I actually remember many Christians begging Gibson to release a censored version they could take their families to. Which he did, but it got worse reviews, iirc

That is what people want to see. A good old traditional human sacrifice.

 

[SomeRandom]

That is what people want to see. A good old traditional human sacrifice.

Maybe we are depraved after all

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually, it doesn’t depict the Gospel events accurately, but adds a lot of unbiblical scenes.

I was talking about the violence. The Bible describes scourging, for instance, and the movie shows you exactly what that involves.

So I chose not to see it...although it was the big fad at the time and our pastor insisted everyone must see it.
The Gospel accounts do indeed show the depravity of humanity, but it’s not intended for entertainment. Rather, to reveal our sinful condition and need for a Savior.

So you do understand that a movie can depict violence without endorsing violence.

 

[InChrist]

I was talking about the violence. The Bible describes scourging, for instance, and the movie shows you exactly what that involves.


So you do understand that a movie can depict violence without endorsing violence.

Yes, I do understand that a movie can depict violence without endorsing it. The Bible does just that with the death of Christ on the cross. The scriptures do not describe in gory detail the crucifixion. Movies now go to the extreme of showing violence, blood and brutality for entertainment sake.

 

[Kooky]

@InChrist
Did you literally just now realize that horror movies exist?