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Despicable Action At DNC

jonathan180iq

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
69 Officers have been killed in the line of duty so far in 2016.
130 were killed on the job in 2015. So 2016 seems to be on par with that.
https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2015

The sacrifices that they make for their family and the loss of their lives is a very tragic thing.

In 2015, 1,186 people were killed by law enforcement officers.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/28/3735190/killed-by-police-2015/

Those deaths, regardless of justification or lack thereof, are still tragic, aren't they?
They also seem a little imbalanced.

1,186 vs 140+/- is a huge distinction.

If we assume that anywhere from 500-1,000 civilians are killed by police each year, then you're looking at at least 5,000 killings between 2005-2015.

Since 2005, only 41 officers have been convicted of wrong-doing in those killings...
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao/legacy/2013/10/28/12statrpt.pdf

I don't know about you, but when I see a number set that lopsided then I assume that there is something pretty seriously wrong...

When you dig into it and find out that 93% of police killings go virtually unpunished, you can begin to see the problem of disparity that exists between the civilian and law enforcement cultures.
Now, imagine that you are a minority community member of that civilian culture and the numbers against your "people" are even more unbalanced and skewe than those of any other group. There are some personal responsibility issues that need to be addressed, certainly. But wouldn't you, at some point, have a really hard time mentally justifying the continued disparity, especially when it's on a national scale and not localized? Wouldn't it start to look like your group was being singled out for some reason or another? Wouldn't you start to get just a little pissed off? Wouldn't you come up with a slogan like, oh I don't know...

#ESmith'sLifeMatters?

If for nothing else to remind the world that you exist and that there are some problems that are directly affecting you and your pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.

A patriot like yourself should have a very serious problem with a young man being shot dead in his car simply for stating that he was a licensed-carry member of society and that he had a gun on his person, don't you think? His crime was... well nothing that justifies death, right? Stories like this are far too prevalent to pretend like there isn't a problem. There is nothing innately better about people who wear badges or uniforms than the person who pushes shopping carts at your local grocery store.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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jonathan180iq said:
When you dig into it and find out that 93% of police killings go virtually unpunished, you can begin to see the problem of disparity that exists between the civilian and law enforcement cultures.
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If the number was 93% I would be reasonably confident that police were being properly held to account.

Based on your stats, the figure is probably >99.5% which basically makes the police practically flawless in cases with fatalities, many of which involved victims who were unarmed non-criminals or petty criminals.

That the police were right to kill practically all of these people is something that I find hard to believe.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Don't forget that judges will always side with what's written on the police report. Cops know this and abuse it. The police report could be 100% fabricated and the judge will side with the officer regardless if the defendant was being honest
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
jonathan180iq said:
I don't know about you, but when I see a number set that lopsided then I assume that there is something pretty seriously wrong...
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The problem is that you can start assuming some profoundly wrong things when you start fitting complex data into a predetermined narrative.
If you start with the premise that white people are racist and police are bullies, it becomes "obvious" that the problem is white racist police.

If a vastly larger problem is young black men tending to be on drugs, armed, and dangerously nihilistic you might find that racist cops aren't as much of a problem as lightening strikes. And the way police are often treated by the arm chair SJWs later causes them to close ranks when they shouldn't.

There was a series of articles published in the official magazine of the NAACP, back around 2000/01. They were the results of an in depth investigation of an event similar to Ferguson that happened in Cincinnati in the very late 90's. Many of their findings were counterintuitive.

One was that, while the city was nearly twice as black as the national average the police department was as lilly white as the most exclusive country clubs. The people demonstrating assumed that this was proof that the white cops were racist.
What the NAACP found was different. Black people who considered a law enforcement career were definitely barraged with hateful discrimination, even to the point of fearing for their lives. But it wasn't white bigots, it was their own black community. Their friends, families, etc. turned on them as the enemy. It was the black community keeping that police force white, not the white community.
Tom
PS~ I have tried to find links to these reports from the NAACP. I'm not good at the internetz. The articles are about 15 years old, but surely they are out there somewhere. Anyone who could help would be very much thanked by me.~
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
esmith said:
I have never been totally hostile of the Democrat Party until what happened at the Democrats Convention. When they only invite the mothers of those killed by the police and ignore the mothers or wives of Police Officers murdered in the past months then they, the Democrats, are a bunch of pandering (no words to describe).
I thought that this was supposed to be a Nation united not a Nation divided. But it appears that the Democrats are willing to stoop to the lowest levels to obtain votes.
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Boy, now you're really reaching.
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Although we understand why. :D


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RRex

Active Member
Premium Member
Personally, I consider the Dem party to be the party of hypocrites.

They espouse fair and humane treatment of all people yet exclude those groups which they openly hate - the police, gun owners, whites, et al.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
RRex said:
Personally, I consider the Dem party to be the party of hypocrites.

They espouse fair and humane treatment of all people yet exclude those groups which they openly hate - the police, gun owners, whites, et al.
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I personally don't believe in fair tales like the above, nor am I particularly enamored when some people out-and-out lie. .
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the news about the email hack.....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-hillary-clinton-cyber-attack-000000269.html
The FBI warned the Clinton campaign that it was a target of a cyberattack last March, just weeks before the Democratic National Committee discovered it had been penetrated by hackers it now believes were working for Russian intelligence, two sources who have been briefed on the matter told Yahoo News.

In a meeting with senior officials at the campaign’s Brooklyn headquarters, FBI agents laid out concerns that cyberhackers had used so-called spear-phishing emails as part of an attempt to penetrate the campaign’s computers, the sources said. One of the sources said agents conducting a national security investigation asked the Clinton campaign to turn over internal computer logs as well as the personal email addresses of senior campaign officials. But the campaign, through its lawyers, declined to provide the data, deciding that the FBI’s request for sensitive personal and campaign information data was too broad and intrusive, the source said.

A second source who had been briefed on the matter and who confirmed the Brooklyn meeting said agents provided no specific information to the campaign about the identity of the cyberhackers or whether they were associated with a foreign government. The source said the campaign was already aware of attempts to penetrate its computers and had taken steps to thwart them, emphasizing that there is still no evidence that the campaign’s computers had actually been successfully penetrated.
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Underhill

Underhill

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/01/chicago-crime-guns-chart/
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From your link...

"The problem is that most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago come from neighboring states with lax gun laws. A study released last year by the city found that almost 60 percent of firearms recovered at Chicago crime scenes were first bought in states that do not require background checks for Internet or gun show sales, like neighboring Indiana and Wisconsin. Of the remaining crime guns, nearly half were purchased at three gun shops just outside the city."
 
Sees

Sees

Dragonslayer
RRex said:
Personally, I consider the Dem party to be the party of hypocrites.

They espouse fair and humane treatment of all people yet exclude those groups which they openly hate - the police, gun owners, whites, et al.
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It isn't so much hate as it is just the usual race-baiting to secure votes of minorities and hyper-liberals...a show put on so the most important issues are never looked at. Decades ago they realized desegregation and equal rights were inevitable so they went from the racist party to the champion of minorities. Later on is when more and more gun-loving whites switched over to the Republican party.

They not only hope people are ignorant of this stuff - they bet on it. Luckily a good amount are becoming better educated and becoming more conservative.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Underhill said:
From your link...

"The problem is that most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago come from neighboring states with lax gun laws. A study released last year by the city found that almost 60 percent of firearms recovered at Chicago crime scenes were first bought in states that do not require background checks for Internet or gun show sales, like neighboring Indiana and Wisconsin. Of the remaining crime guns, nearly half were purchased at three gun shops just outside the city."
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But that study is somewhat flawed. Another source
http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-where-criminals-get-weapons-412850
The following is a pdf file link.
www.chicagobusiness.com/.../20151102-Tracing-Guns.pdf

Note it is a Federal Law concerning background checks not State Laws concerning background checks.
In addition the following persons may sell a firearm in Illinois without going through the required paperwork.see http://smartgunlaws.org/private-sales-in-illinois/
Exceptions to this requirement include: 1) transfers as a bona fide gift to the transferor’s husband, wife, son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, father, mother, stepfather, stepmother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law;3 and 2) transfers that occur at a federally licensed firearm dealer’s place of business, if the licensed dealer conducts a background check on the prospective recipient of the firearm and follows all other applicable federal, state, and local laws as if he or she were the transferor of the firearm.4

See a large hole in the argument about it's others states gun laws?
 
Underhill

Underhill

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
But that study is somewhat flawed. Another source
http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-where-criminals-get-weapons-412850
The following is a pdf file link.
www.chicagobusiness.com/.../20151102-Tracing-Guns.pdf

Note it is a Federal Law concerning background checks not State Laws concerning background checks.
In addition the following persons may sell a firearm in Illinois without going through the required paperwork.see http://smartgunlaws.org/private-sales-in-illinois/
Exceptions to this requirement include: 1) transfers as a bona fide gift to the transferor’s husband, wife, son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, father, mother, stepfather, stepmother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law;3 and 2) transfers that occur at a federally licensed firearm dealer’s place of business, if the licensed dealer conducts a background check on the prospective recipient of the firearm and follows all other applicable federal, state, and local laws as if he or she were the transferor of the firearm.4

See a large hole in the argument about it's others states gun laws?
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Even so, there is no question that these states laws are more lax than those in Chicago.
 
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