#DiagnoseTrump

[YmirGF]

One thing, going to what you were speaking about previously, is we (the left) really need to stop looking outwards when things like this happen. Creating scapegoats as a primary source when something goes wrong is not only unproductive, it is also inaccurate. Take the "Russian hacking" for example. That is a problem that needs to be solved. But did Hillary lose the election because of it? I doubt it, it would take a lot to convince me otherwise. So, instead of saying "We lost because the Russians took us for a spin" or "The electoral college is inaccurate", we should be saying "Maybe we should invest in a candidate that would win the election regardless." Taking a grass roots approach and becoming more active in local politics does 100000x more good than spamming memes on Facebook expecting things to change.

*drops mic*

Now you're on to the genuine article. Failure to pay attention to detail is never a good game plan.

 

[Revoltingest]

One thing, going to what you were speaking about previously, is we (the left) really need to stop looking outwards when things like this happen. Creating scapegoats as a primary source when something goes wrong is not only unproductive, it is also inaccurate. Take the "Russian hacking" for example. That is a problem that needs to be solved. But did Hillary lose the election because of it? I doubt it, it would take a lot to convince me otherwise. So, instead of saying "We lost because the Russians took us for a spin" or "The electoral college is inaccurate", we should be saying "Maybe we should invest in a candidate that would win the election regardless." Taking a grass roots approach and becoming more active in local politics does 100000x more good than spamming memes on Facebook expecting things to change.

*drops mic*

Russian, or anyone else's, hacking is not a problem to be solved.
Why?
It can't be.
It's a problem to manage.
Espionage of all kinds will always be with us.
We simply need good policies & diligent practice.

 

[Laika]

I can just imagine the HOWLS of protest that would have occurred had anyone suggested this about the Hildebeast or Trump. Losers really need to get over their little selves.

The use of nuclear weapons by the US is not a partisan issue. It is an American issue. So questioning Trumps ability to handle that decision is not being a sore loser. looking at all the things he's said and done- its not an unjustified question.

 

[YmirGF]

The use of nuclear weapons by the US is not a partisan issue. It is an American issue. So questioning Trumps to handle that decision is not being a sore loser. looking at all the things he's said and done- its not an unjustified question.

At the same time though @Laika Trump is also acknowledged as the lyingest person who has ever lived... Why would people believe virtually anything he says about virtually anything? It's all hot air and spin...

I have no problem whatsoever with what he has said. I can hear how people are trying to make this sound like a big deal. Stop listening to them and listen to what Trump is ACTUALLY saying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree with you but let me re-emphasize my primary hesitation. In a perfect world would this work? Sure. But the question becomes how would this be implemented? I still see the possibility of abuse outweighing any potential rewards from it given our current political environment.

It's because we don't live in a perfect world that I feel we need them. In a perfect world, no one would even consider having someone with no educating experience be in a position of authority over educators.

 

[Quetzal]

Russian, or anyone else's, hacking is not a problem to be solved.
Why?
It can't be.
It's a problem to manage.
Espionage of all kinds will always be with us.
We simply need good policies & diligent practice.

You know what I meant! Plus, "a problem to manage" does not roll as well when my speech writer gave me that draft.

 

[Revoltingest]

The use of nuclear weapons by the US is not a partisan issue. It is an American issue. So questioning Trumps ability to handle that decision is not being a sore loser. looking at all the things he's said and done- its not an unjustified question.

A great many human failings aren't psychiatric disorders.
Some people are impulsive, volatile, dumb, prideful, amoral, immoral & even evil.
Such things aren't amenable to a medical solution.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now, number four, in particular, is good thing, but as a liberal/progressive this has been a very crappy year. As for me, I have lost a lot of faith in the party I would really like to support. Hillary as the candidate, really? As a progressive, we got shut out by our own party primary because the party believed they knew better and lost anyway.

The problem is assuming Democrats are a "progressive" party. Liberal, Democrat, and Progressive are not interchangeable or synonymous. When we actually did have Progressives, for example, they were among both parties and the "top" Progressive was a Republican. Democrats may be more likely to uphold Liberal values, but they are really almost as reluctant as Republicans to go in a bust up corporations, drop anti-trust bombs on them, and truly champion the working class, which are some of the things that marked and defined the Progressives, and is probably why Sanders was booted from the DNC, because as a Democratic Socialist he is way more Progressive-like than all but a few Democrats.

 

[Laika]

A great many human failings aren't psychiatric disorders.
Some people are impulsive, volatile, dumb, prideful, amoral, immoral & even evil.
Such things aren't amenable to a medical solution.

At the same time though @Laika Trump is also acknowledged as the lyingest person who has ever lived... Why would people believe virtually anything he says about virtually anything? It's all hot air and spin...

...Until its lying is treated as an impeachable offence....

..Or lying is used to conceal an impeachable offence or criminal activity...

So yeah. Politicians are liars and they do it to navigate conflicts of interest. But when does lying stop being a political tactic and become a criminal conspiracy or a pathological character trait? Thats the problem with Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know what I meant! Plus, "a problem to manage" does not roll as well when my speech writer gave me that draft.

The distinction important is.
Problems when "solved" are no longer a problem.
Democrats need to recognize unsolvable problems which have always been with us & always will be.
This might help them get over the Evil Ivan boogeyman (upon which they blame for HIlda's loss) syndrome

 

[Revoltingest]

...Until its lying is treated as an impeachable offence....

..Or lying is used to conceal an impeachable offence or criminal activity...

So yeah. Politicians are liars and they do it to navigate conflicts of interest. But when does lying stop being a political tactic and become a criminal conspiracy or a pathological character trait? Thats the problem with Trump.

It was also a problem with Nixon & Clinton.
Trump just fits right in....as would've Hillary had she won.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I hope this is a lesson learned for a generation.

We didn't learn back in 2000 either. I'm not hopeful 2020 will be much different. 2024, maybe, when Millennials are expected to become the majority voting block, but for 2020 the Democrats are too busy doing exactly what needs to be done for them to loose 2018 midterms and the 2020 election.
Really, they need to themselves get foaming at the mouth pissed off, much like the Republicans did with the Tea Party and with Trump. Democrats and Liberals don't need to cry and whine, they need to yell and roar. The party itself must carefully plan the next four years to turn this into a monumental win, but they are too eager to just accept defeat and not look into how a catastrophe can be opportunity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Most psychiatrists and psychologists get into the field to manage there own mental issues or those of immediate loved ones. That being said, they are more likely to suffer from mental illness in general as a population. Maybe we shouldn't take our advice from them all the time.

Evidence?

 

[Laika]

It was also a problem with Nixon & Clinton.
Trump just fits right in....as would've Hillary had she won.

The United States embodied in its constitution as the basis for the rule of law is bigger than a single individual- even the President. The fact that corruption appears to have become normal does not make it either desirable or legal.

If our moral standards have sunk so low that a potential sociopath or a virtual gangster can hold office and we treat it as normal because we expect and demand so little of our politicans than to pick up a cheque, you can rip up the constitution because its not worth the parchment its written on. The Constitution is a social contract and it only has power as long as people enforce it. Otherwise it just a scrap of paper.

 

[Quetzal]

The United States embodied in its constitution as the basis for the rule of law is bigger than a single individual- even the President. The fact that corruption appears to have become normal does not make it either desirable or legal.

If our moral standards have sunk so low that a potential sociopath or a virtual gangster can hold office and we treat it as normal because we expect and demand so little of our politicans than to pick up a cheque, you can rip up the constitution because its not worth the parchment its written on. The Constitution is a social contract and it only has power as long as people enforce it. Otherwise it just a scrap of paper.

Right, but due to extreme party politics, who would hold them accountable? That rests in the people. But so long as the majority of people are comfortable enough not to raise a fuss and remain uninvolved, it will remain the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

The United States embodied in its constitution as the basis for the rule of law is bigger than a single individual- even the President. The fact that corruption appears to have become normal does not make it either desirable or legal.

If our moral standards have sunk so low that a potential sociopath or a virtual gangster can hold office and we treat it as normal because we expect and demand so little of our politicans than to pick up a cheque, you can rip up the constitution because its not worth the parchment its written on. The Constitution is a social contract and it only has power as long as people enforce it. Otherwise it just a scrap of paper.

I don't disagree.
But I do see more widespread corruption than just Trump.
And since he hasn't even entered office yet, this would make him a relative innocent.
We'll see what happens in 2017 & beyond.

 

[Acim]

34,000 psychologists and psychatrists agree.

???????

 

[Mindmaster]

Evidence?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1704352/pdf/canmedaj01451-0033.pdf

Common problem, among all physicians of any sort, actually...

 

[Laika]

Right, but due to extreme party politics, who would hold them accountable? That rests in the people. But so long as the majority of people are comfortable enough not to raise a fuss and remain uninvolved, it will remain the same.

I don't disagree.
But I do see more widespread corruption than just Trump.
And since he hasn't even entered office yet, this would make him a relative innocent.
We'll see what happens in 2017 & beyond.

Yeah. But you still have to try. The fact not everyone comes to support your ideals or a cause is not the best reason for giving up.

???????

See link. The number of signatories on the petition is now 34,010.

#DiagnoseTrump

 

[Shadow Wolf]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1704352/pdf/canmedaj01451-0033.pdf

Common problem, among all physicians of any sort, actually...

That's an article about physicians, not psychologists or psychiatrists, from almost 30 years ago.