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Diamonds a girls best friend? I think not!

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"Living on the high end" also means PAYING for living on the high end - which means pumping money and tax dollars back into the economy, and working hard for that money.

Just sayin'.
Yes, but it's a matter of where the money goes, not just how much it is.

Some money can finance good things while other money can finance destructive or harmful things.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, of course. We can only control money once it's left our hands so much. Sure, we shouldn't knowingly support corruption or harmful causes, but after a point it's beyond our control. For instance, tax dollars. I'm sure that many of my tax dollars are wasted or spent on things I wouldn't personally support. But if I want to stay out of jail, I pay my taxes and hope my vote counts.

Same with consumer spending in a sense. No, I don't have time to personally research every company or industry I support with my purchasing power - and who could or would?

But I try to make a positive difference with my life -and that does include how I and where I spend my money to an extent.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Diamonds are overrated in my opinion, they turn into graphite over time anyway, so they don't last forever as people say.
And I think silver is nicer than gold. So I guess if I bought anyone an engagement ring, I'd like it a lot more than she would.
Back in the day, I bought the Mrs. a small engagement ring which I paid cash for. That ring means more than any other jewelry I have bought her. It was hard for me to come up with the cash back then. I worked harder for that ring than I have any similar purchases I have made.

I went to a wedding last weekend and the bride and groom exchanged titanium wedding rings. Diamonds and gold may become too expensive for many folks to buy in the future. I can understand why this tradition may fade.

Its not the actual item that means so much, it is the symbolic statement which could evolve over time.
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Well darkness you are an eloquent writer I might add and yes forgive.my long explanations and typos

Your writing is fine. Thank you for the kind words about mine. It is much appreciated. I make an effort to be eloquent, since I do creative writing on my own time and feature/news writing for my University's newspaper. :rainbow1:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Back in the day, I bought the Mrs. a small engagement ring which I paid cash for. That ring means more than any other jewelry I have bought her. It was hard for me to come up with the cash back then. I worked harder for that ring than I have any similar purchases I have made.

Me too! I worked for a year for hers, and I remember all those late hours. (But it wasn't small and I still don't think it is... haha). The day I finally got all the money, I bought it and asked her to marry me.

Now we've been married for 10+ years and she wants a ring 4x as expensive. :facepalm:
 
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ninerbuff

godless wonder
I wonder, do the same people who shout "Blood Diamonds!" eat eggs from the grocery store, or drive a vehicle that uses oil products, or pay their taxes which support our military, or, for that matter SERVE in our military?

My point is that a case can be made against just about any product on our shelves these days.
Eggs sustain us, vehicles drive us to work, paying taxes supports our government, serving in the military is honorable.

Wearing a diamond? Except for the the material factor, it really doesn't have a purpose. Unless it's on a drill tip.:D
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I wonder, do the same people who shout "Blood Diamonds!" eat eggs from the grocery store, or drive a vehicle that uses oil products, or pay their taxes which support our military, or, for that matter SERVE in our military?

My point is that a case can be made against just about any product on our shelves these days.

And it is usually a pretty damn good case. I'm lucky enough to have never been involved with purchasing diamonds, I don't buy eggs from the grocery store, I just moved into my new place and will be replacing a lot of my transportation by bike, and I don't really pay taxes that fund war because I don't even make enough to be taxed.

It is a lot easier to shout 'Blood Diamonds!' than regarding eggs, driving or taxes, because eggs are rather necessary and not always a harmful business practice, driving is often needed to live, despite how much we wish it didn't exist anymore, and taxes can't really be avoided. Diamonds on the other hand are pretty useless and are purposelessly over priced and scarcity is created by the industry. Anyone could easily never buy a diamond and not suffer a loss of the standard of living, while on the other hand, diamond companies have really ravaged people's lives for the sake of profit over a product that has no intrinsic value, so your jest doesn't really paint an accurate comparison of complaining about various products.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
No one knows where my vintage diamond came from. Does anyone? My gosh, the thing has been out of the ground for at least 80 years. If I knew it came from an abusive situation, it would be a different matter altogether.

We do what we can, but if we were all purists when it came to exploitation of others for our material wealth, we'd be hoveling in a cave somewhere trying to figure out how to sew leaves together without harming anyone or anything.

I don't agree. There is a difference willing exploitation (as in, we are trading and both benefit from such an action) and economic slavery, which is quite harsher. I doubt it was ever necessary to exploit Africans, albeit our nation would have taken a lot longer to build without all the free labor we took.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
"Living on the high end" also means PAYING for living on the high end - which means pumping money and tax dollars back into the economy, and working hard for that money.

Just sayin'.

I don't know if I would call commercial banking 'working hard,' especially in light of the working poor who literally produce the products for the rich. And it matters little how much money and taxes they pump into the economy when the economy only serves them anyways.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
I do exception to the military comment I doubt anyone of you would make that statement if we didn't have a military at all.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I do exception to the military comment I doubt anyone of you would make that statement if we didn't have a military at all.

Think again, I could not care less about the military or any individual in it. I'm perfectly suitable for defending myself and if there was any real threat, there would be millions of others ready to do so as well. I didn't ask for anyone to do anything on my behalf. Honor is an antiquated myth and illusion perpetuated by Hollywood and people who are unhappy with their actions they seek justification from others.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Think again, I could not care less about the military or any individual in it. I'm perfectly suitable for defending myself and if there was any real threat, there would be millions of others ready to do so as well. I didn't ask for anyone to do anything on my behalf. Honor is an antiquated myth and illusion perpetuated by Hollywood and people who are unhappy with their actions they seek justification from others.

What a joke! I gurantee if the Warden SS invaded your home or the Red army or any other country opposed to the US, you'd be in a concentration camp eating slop. In all ancient cultures a defense of the nation is necessary to ward off potential invaders. Just because you can fight individually doesn't mean you can fight an army. Oh and the millions of people you refer to are only a fraction. The average citizen doesn't own a tank, stealth jet or any other piece of defensive equipment that would give them a fighting chance. So yeah fat chance if the US didn't have the best military in the world. But I forgot you're post-anarchism garb is typical. That is why I served, so you have an opportunity to speak such trash
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Eggs sustain us, vehicles drive us to work, paying taxes supports our government, serving in the military is honorable.

Wearing a diamond? Except for the the material factor, it really doesn't have a purpose. Unless it's on a drill tip.:D

First of all, a good diamond bought at a good price is a good investment (I never recommend buying diamonds from a retail store).

But the main thing that jumps out at me is your statement about a diamond not having a valid purpose.

Gifts or purchases of beautiful things (from works of art to sports cars) usually have very little to do with utilitarian purposes. And I can assure you that a beautiful diamond on the hand of a woman who loves you can be a very good investment indeed.
 

ninerbuff

godless wonder
First of all, a good diamond bought at a good price is a good investment (I never recommend buying diamonds from a retail store).

But the main thing that jumps out at me is your statement about a diamond not having a valid purpose.

Gifts or purchases of beautiful things (from works of art to sports cars) usually have very little to do with utilitarian purposes. And I can assure you that a beautiful diamond on the hand of a woman who loves you can be a very good investment indeed.
Diamonds are only an investment if someone is willing to buy them for more than you spent on them which is usually not the case.
I bet I know more women who wish their husbands paid more attention and time to them, rather than have the rock on their finger to pacify them.;)
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
But the choice isn't "A diamond ring OR more attention."

I guess I'm lucky. I get a diamond ring, diamonds in my ears, AND attention.

By the way, a little feedback from my husband. When he gave me my diamond stud earrings, he made it a point to give them to me in front of my parents. You should have seen the look on his face when he saw me squeal with delight. My dad went over and shook his hand and said, "Well done, man! I'm impressed." My husband had done his homework. He has a friend who owns a coin and jewelry exchange. He had her look for two perfect, matched stones for MONTHS before finally settling on these. They are absolutely beautiful, even though they are not huge. I've had strangers tell me that they are impressed - that whoever bought these for me knew what he was doing - and like I said, these aren't large, showy stones. But they truly are beautiful.

He paid about 1/4 what the same quality stones would have cost at a retail store.

I never take them off except to polish them about once a month. Knowing the effort he put into them, and the pride he had when he knew that I recognized the superior quality, they are very special to me. Every couple of months or so, he'll walk up behind me while I'm fixing my hair or whatever, and he'll put his hands on my shoulders and look at me in the mirror and say, "Do you still love your earrings? I notice you never take them off." And I tell him, "Of course, I still love them - I always will. They're beautiful and my favorite person gave them to me."

If bought under the right conditions, diamonds ARE a good investment - you can trade them in, or pass them down as an heirloom, and meanwhile, the emotional rewards are well worth the price.

That is, IF you are buying diamonds for a person who appreciates them. I guess that's the bottom line.
 
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