Dictating Beliefs

[Draka]

Don't we always have some problems with those kinds of things? Regardless of who is staff? People don't tiptoe around just because any one particular person is a staff member. The staff is still taking care of the incidents like they always do. Couldn't it just be that perhaps you are looking for it more now that a staple staff member is no longer here in that capacity?

It's like four horses that pull a carriage. You have become familiar and comfortable with the team. One horse gets replaced. Suddenly, due to your attachment, you start noticing the bumps in the road and the changes in speed more. Those things were always there, but now you look for them because something has changed and you expect change elsewhere as well. The existing team still does the same job and faces the same challenges all the same.

 

[Willamena]

It's not about Phil --that was humour. Humour that perhaps fell short. It's about people who tell other people that what they believe is incorrect --and that's blatantly silly. It's their belief, so how can it be incorrect, unless you yourself are the standard upon which correctness is judged?

(And, granted, you might be.)

 

[Draka]

It's not about Phil --that was humour. Humour that perhaps fell short. It's about people who tell other people that what they believe is incorrect --and that's blatantly silly. It's their belief, so how can it be incorrect, unless you yourself are the standard upon which correctness is judged?

(And, granted, you might be.)

Well, in that, you are always dealing with opinions and some people's opinions about their own beliefs are very strong. Is it kosher to go around telling someone they are wrong? Of course not. Is it going to happen in any religious conversation...pretty much.

The thing that bothers me is when people want to tell someone else not that their beliefs are wrong...but that they don't believe what they say they believe. Like if I come out and say that I am Wiccan and I believe rama-lama-ding-dong and someone else comes along and tells me that that's not what I believe or that I'm not Wiccan and turns around and tell me what a real Wiccan believes. It's one thing for someone to say that my beliefs are wrong when they compare them to theirs, it's another to tell me what my beliefs ARE and ARE NOT. As if they know more than I do.

added: perfect example - this thread - http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...an-catholics-less-christain-compared-lds.html

let's just tell the Catholics what they believe and what their doctrines really mean.

 

[Willamena]

The thing that bothers me is when people want to tell someone else not that their beliefs are wrong...but that they don't believe what they say they believe. Like if I come out and say that I am Wiccan and I believe rama-lama-ding-dong and someone else comes along and tells me that that's not what I believe or that I'm not Wiccan and turns around and tell me what a real Wiccan believes.

Just so! That's the kind of thread I am protesting.

It's one thing for someone to say that my beliefs are wrong when they compare them to theirs, it's another to tell me what my beliefs ARE and ARE NOT. As if they know more than I do.

Like as if it's not your beliefs. :yes:

 

[blackout]

It's not about Phil --that was humour. Humour that perhaps fell short. It's about people who tell other people that what they believe is incorrect --and that's blatantly silly. It's their belief, so how can it be incorrect, unless you yourself are the standard upon which correctness is judged?

(And, granted, you might be.)

I was just about to step in and point out that the part about Phil was just a little humor.
Just so you know Patty, your humor was not lost on me. :flirt:
Though I have no idea what that says about either you or me (or Phil!).

Telling people unequivocally what they should or shouldn't believe is plain silly.
(as if you even could)
Dialogue that puts people at "I know better than you" odds with one another, is not engaging.
It sets up an impassable gulf.
A divide between, that cannot be bridged in friendship, love, and fun.
So what's the point?

 

[Joe_Stocks]

People debating on a forum. We really need to stop that kind of behavior.

 

[Willamena]

...friendship, love, and fun. So what's the point?

Just so.

 

[blackout]

The thing that bothers me is when people want to tell someone else not that their beliefs are wrong...but that they don't believe what they say they believe. Like if I come out and say that I am Wiccan and I believe rama-lama-ding-dong and someone else comes along and tells me that that's not what I believe or that I'm not Wiccan and turns around and tell me what a real Wiccan believes. It's one thing for someone to say that my beliefs are wrong when they compare them to theirs, it's another to tell me what my beliefs ARE and ARE NOT. As if they know more than I do.

LOL Draka! "AS IF" indeed!
Who on earth could know more about YOUR own beliefs than YOU do.
It really is funny how much clout some people give themselves.
So silly.

 

[Draka]

People debating on a forum. We really need to stop that kind of behavior.

It's one thing to debate, it's quite another to be a rollicking ******* who has such a high opinion of themselves that they go around and tell others that they don't know their own mind and beliefs.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Draka,

It's one thing to debate, it's quite another to be a rollicking ******* who has such a high opinion of themselves that they go around and tell others that they don't know their own mind and beliefs.

But what is the solution? By allowing people to debate there will be jackasses. And if you attempt to regulate this in any meaningful way you probably will be affecting those that aren't jackasses.

 

[Charity]

I agree with Draka, I think she was absolutely right in her post. I find it very interesting hearing about others beliefs, and although we all may not agree, we can discuss and reason without degrading and attacking someone else's belief.

The thread you were talking about embarrassed and shocked me. How wrong to try and put two different religions in a forum and try to make a dog fight out of it. Were they suppose to go for each others throat. I give both religions praise, because they both handled it well, even defending and standing up for each other. That is the example that a Christian should possess. Thank you Draka for standing up for what is right.............

 

[Draka]

Hi Draka,



But what is the solution? By allowing people to debate there will be jackasses. And if you attempt to regulate this in any meaningful way you probably will be affecting those that aren't jackasses.

It's simple...get rid of the jackasses. I'm not saying that people can't debate, compare, and discuss. I'm saying that it is stepping over the ego and respect line to profess to know more about someone's beliefs than they do and to be so condescendingly rude about it as well.

There is another thread on the forum that is being reviewed right now. One in which one person inparticular has taken to dictating what people can and can't call themselves and what they can and can't believe. So far as to say that some people are "just pretending" to be a certain religion because they can't be that religion due to their gender. This is a case of someone coming in and saying "I know you say that this is what you are and what you believe, BUT I know better than you do about you and you are wrong. You are not of that religion and you don't believe what you say you do...you're just pretending." Now how is that not above and beyond just debating?

 

[Draka]

I agree with Draka, I think she was absolutely right in her post. I find it very interesting hearing about others beliefs, and although we all may not agree, we can discuss and reason without degrading and attacking someone else's belief.

The thread you were talking about embarrassed and shocked me. How wrong to try and put two different religions in a forum and try to make a dog fight out of it. Were they suppose to go for each others throat. I give both religions praise, because they both handled it well, even defending and standing up for each other. That is the example that a Christian should possess. Thank you Draka for standing up for what is right.............

Thank you.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Draka,

I understand that this is a private forum and people can be kicked off at any time.

For me the issue comes in because people have all sorts of crazy beliefs and have all sorts of crazy arguments. Do we get rid of people that have beliefs we don't like and arguments we don't like?

Now, if the person is personally attacking people all the time and not engaging in any sort of debate, then I am with you 100%.

 

[Willamena]

Hi Draka,



But what is the solution? By allowing people to debate there will be jackasses. And if you attempt to regulate this in any meaningful way you probably will be affecting those that aren't jackasses.

The solution is that there are no jackasses.

 

[Draka]

Hi Draka,

I understand that this is a private forum and people can be kicked off at any time.

For me the issue comes in because people have all sorts of crazy beliefs and have all sorts of crazy arguments. Do we get rid of people that have beliefs we don't like and arguments we don't like?

Now, if the person is personally attacking people all the time and not engaging in any sort of debate, then I am with you 100%.

Yeah, I'm not saying get rid of people with unlikable or odd beliefs (if that were so there would be a few people I can think of that would be gone a long time ago). I'm saying there is no use to attack someone and TELL them what their beliefs are and are not. That is what is unacceptable. If someone were to go into a thread you were discussing your beliefs in and were to blatantly say, over and over in several posts, that you really don't believe what you say you believe and that you are lying and that you are "pretending" or that you don't know anything about your own religion (that they aren't even a member of)...wouldn't that irk you?

 

[Runt]

It's simple...get rid of the jackasses. I'm not saying that people can't debate, compare, and discuss. I'm saying that it is stepping over the ego and respect line to profess to know more about someone's beliefs than they do and to be so condescendingly rude about it as well.

I disagree. There is a difference between being impolite and, say, harassing someone. Kicking people off a forum simply because they're occasionally rude is not fair. If people were sent away every time they cross the line a bit, a good portion of us would be gone, because many people say and do things that aren't entirely appropriate or respectful when frustrated, or unknowingly insult others without meaning to do so. If we don't like what they're saying, we can simply ignore them. If nobody responds to rude posts, the posters will either continue posting to no avail, learn respect, or leave on their own. There's no need to get heavy handed.

 

[Scott1]

It's all great to chat about, but what's the point??... there are only a few people on this forum whose opinions matter.... you can chat all day long about what should happen...

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Willamena,

The solution is that there are no jackasses.

Easier said than done. Who is a *******?

 

[Draka]

I disagree. There is a difference between being impolite and, say, harassing someone. Kicking people off a forum simply because they're occasionally rude is not fair. If you don't like what they're saying, simply ignore them. If nobody responds to rude posts, the posters will either continue posting to no avail, learn respect, or leave on their own. There's no need to get heavy handed.

If it is routine for some members and that is the general contribution they make to the forum, then why not remove them? If they can't play nice with the other children they don't need to be part of the play group.