Did Jesus and St. Paul taught contradictory things?

[Theodore A. Jones]

I never stated that it was not divine. I never stated it was not 'God breathed. What I did state is that God did not dictate and the
humans who penned were not robots taking dictation.



Sacred Scripture is a living tradition given by a living God. It must be interpreted as to what it means in the life of the church today.
Otherwise it would belong in a museum.

"Do not go beyond what is written." 1 Cor. 4:6 When any person's interpretation exceeds this referenced limit, which "interpreted as to what it means in the life of the church (sic) today." does, he is already way over all the lines.

 

[nothead]

Response to question 1, See Jas. 2:8 KJV & NIV
I don't quite understand your second question. If it is 'asking' what my religious affiliation is; I am not affiliated with nor do I support or endorse any contemporary religious organization or any contemporary soteriological assumption pontificated by any of these organizations. Do my statements answer what you are asking?

Yes also spoke of ROYAL Law, which is really in Jewish terminology, mishpatim, or basic. In fact James recites two of these of the Ten further down:

For he that said, Do not
commit adultery, said also, Do
not kill. Now if thou commit
no adultery, yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor.

Also called the Law of Freedom, since extensions of Law are extending in believers from the Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30, the desire and will to love God.

And YES spoke of Royal Law, probably an idiomatic way of saying Basic Law.

The Hard Sayings of Jesus all fall under Mishpatim, to Love God is to X and Y, neither variable necessarily covered by either the Ten, or the 613. These fall under Shema, an extension of loving God.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Yes also spoke of ROYAL Law, which is really in Jewish terminology, mishpatim, or basic. In fact James recites two of these of the Ten further down:

For he that said, Do not
commit adultery, said also, Do
not kill. Now if thou commit
no adultery, yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor.

Also called the Law of Freedom, since extensions of Law are extending in believers from the Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30, the desire and will to love God.

And YES spoke of Royal Law, probably an idiomatic way of saying Basic Law.

The Hard Sayings of Jesus all fall under Mishpatim, to Love God is to X and Y, neither variable necessarily covered by either the Ten, or the 613. These fall under Shema, an extension of loving God.

It is easily and fully understandable why you chose the moniker of "nothead".

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Yes also spoke of ROYAL Law, which is really in Jewish terminology, mishpatim, or basic. In fact James recites two of these of the Ten further down:

For he that said, Do not
commit adultery, said also, Do
not kill. Now if thou commit
no adultery, yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor.

Also called the Law of Freedom, since extensions of Law are extending in believers from the Circumcision of the Heart, Deut 30, the desire and will to love God.

And YES spoke of Royal Law, probably an idiomatic way of saying Basic Law.

The Hard Sayings of Jesus all fall under Mishpatim, to Love God is to X and Y, neither variable necessarily covered by either the Ten, or the 613. These fall under Shema, an extension of loving God.

In the NT the Royal Law is referenced by a number of terms: "perfect law of liberty", "the sacred command", "Law of Christ", Law of the Spirit", "word you have heard", and several other terms.That law is also referenced by the OT prophets. Isa. 2:3 stanza 6, Micah 4:2 stanza 6, and other OT prophets and in the Psalms often.
However this LAW was NOT issued from Sinai, but from the temple's mount in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2, and put into effect through angles. Acts 7:53, Gal. 3:19b, after Jesus Christ's ascension he authored, wrote, the Acts 2 message. Angels delivered it to those apostles and they preached it to the Jews putting the ROYAL LAW into effect for ALL to obey or perish if you refuse. There are no exceptions.

 

[Yes]

A grafted-in Gentile cannot speak from fundamental Judaism?

Using Hebrew and Aramaic words will not make you holy. What makes us holy is believing and obeying Jesus.

 

[pearl]

"Do not go beyond what is written." 1 Cor. 4:6

Refers to the only written Scripture at the time, Hebrew Scripture. The entire NT is an interpretation of the OT as it pertains
to the life of the early Christians, the church.

 

[pearl]

after Jesus Christ's ascension he authored, wrote, the Acts 2 message. Angels delivered it to those apostles and they preached it to the Jews putting the ROYAL LAW into effect for ALL to obey or perish if you refuse. There are no exceptions.

The Apostles preached under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, as he promised he would send to teach them.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

The Apostles preached under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, as he promised he would send to teach them.

Did I infer or say they didn't? What I said to you is that WHAT they preached is an actual hand written document authored by Jesus Christ that was delivered to them by angles AFTER Jesus Christ's ASCENSION placing the Perfect Law of Liberty into effect according to the scriptures. "I am going to SEND YOU WHAT my Father has promised;" first "but STAY in the city, Jerusalem, until you have been clothed with power on high." Lk. 24:48
Any other objections against what the scriptures factually teach?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Refers to the only written Scripture at the time, Hebrew Scripture. The entire NT is an interpretation of the OT as it pertains
to the life of the early Christians, the church.

Isn't it NOW written? Frankly I do not give an owl's hoot what you do one way or the other. And if your assertion is true that the NT interprets the OT why is it true that only a FEW ever find the gate into God's kingdom? In your case I have no doubt that you'll argue with Jesus on judgement day.

 

[nothead]

It is easily and fully understandable why you chose the moniker of "nothead".

I am a fundamentalist and ultra-orthodox. Sue me. Is your name Sue? Johnny Cash wrote of you.

 

[nothead]

Using Hebrew and Aramaic words will not make you holy. What makes us holy is believing and obeying Jesus.

So then obey him. First Command, the Shema. God is One and there is NO OTHER ONE. The scribe in Mk 12. Mk 12 has Christ saying this is YOUR first Command, and the second one, to love me, your neighbor.

 

[nothead]

In the NT the Royal Law is referenced by a number of terms: "perfect law of liberty", "the sacred command", "Law of Christ", Law of the Spirit", "word you have heard", and several other terms.That law is also referenced by the OT prophets. Isa. 2:3 stanza 6, Micah 4:2 stanza 6, and other OT prophets and in the Psalms often.
However this LAW was NOT issued from Sinai, but from the temple's mount in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2, and put into effect through angles. Acts 7:53, Gal. 3:19b, after Jesus Christ's ascension he authored, wrote, the Acts 2 message. Angels delivered it to those apostles and they preached it to the Jews putting the ROYAL LAW into effect for ALL to obey or perish if you refuse. There are no exceptions.

You made a theology of Law from James' lone verse? How about simply affirming Moses' Law as Jn 5 (bottom) says to?

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The letter of basic Law has not changed. What has changed is our IMPETUS to do Shema, and the Law. The circumcision of the heart prescribed in Deut 30 serves this.

And nothing we will do will abrogate the Ten or the Shema or Jesus' own commands.

 

[pearl]

Isn't it NOW written? Frankly I do not give an owl's hoot what you do one way or the other. And if your assertion is true that the NT interprets the OT why is it true that only a FEW ever find the gate into God's kingdom? In your case I have no doubt that you'll argue with Jesus on judgement day.

Think about it. The NT authors understood Jesus' birth, life, D/R to be the fulfillment of Scripture. The suffering servant, Israel in Hebrew Scripture is interpreted to be Jesus, the virgin, the daughter of Zion is interpreted as Mary etc. As far as the 'gate' is concerned,
the young man who had studied and followed Torah asked what more he could do, Jesus said, 'follow me'.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

I am a fundamentalist and ultra-orthodox. Sue me. Is your name Sue? Johnny Cash wrote of you.

I am a fundamentalist and ultra-orthodox. Sue me. Is your name Sue? Johnny Cash wrote of you.

"fundamentalist and ultra-orthodox" relative to What? That descriptive possibly could be aligned to Anglicism through Zootsuitism and even if it has a titled religious identity you are only fundamental to and ultra-orthodox to whatever is assumed to not be incorrect theology, philosophy and soteriological procedure. However whatever it is in regard to what you attempt to defend, by your statements to me, it is in direct non-compliance with:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 For there is NO contemporary 'christian' that does not instinctively and directly object against the soteriological doctrine stated by Rom. 2:13, suborned by Heb. 7:12, and all other written texts of the Bible subordinating Rom. 2:13's soteriological validity and procedure.

Mr. Cash and I never have met nor ever had any contact by any available communication service. You by your own voluntary judgement chose the moniker "nothead". "As a man thinks, so he is." Prov. And then proves himself by what he says to be as he is.
If there is anything other you desire to contest about the only orthodox soteriological procedure delineated and suborned by the Bible's content please feel unencumbered to contact me. Otherwise have a good night.

 

[pearl]

Did I infer or say they didn't? What I said to you is that WHAT they preached is an actual hand written document authored by Jesus Christ that was delivered to them by angles AFTER Jesus Christ's ASCENSION placing the Perfect Law of Liberty into effect according to the scriptures. "I am going to SEND YOU WHAT my Father has promised;" first "but STAY in the city, Jerusalem, until you have been clothed with power on high." Lk. 24:48
Any other objections against what the scriptures factually teach?

If you are referring to Pentecost, what they received was the promised Spirit of Truth which empowered this group of frightened men to proclaim Jesus as Messiah. I do not know where you get a 'hand written document' from.
After all, the disciples had seen Jesus and not understood. Only the post-resurrection gift of the Spirit taught the disciples the full meaning of what they had seen and their witness was the witness of the Paraclete speaking through them.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Think about it. The NT authors understood Jesus' birth, life, D/R to be the fulfillment of Scripture. The suffering servant, Israel in Hebrew Scripture is interpreted to be Jesus, the virgin, the daughter of Zion is interpreted as Mary etc. As far as the 'gate' is concerned,
the young man who had studied and followed Torah asked what more he could do, Jesus said, 'follow me'.

The facts as stated are birth, life, death, resurrection, and ASCENSION!
As for what the NT authors understood it is readily apparent that you do not understand them nor do you comprehend the OT's prohibiting anyone of making any statement of the Living God mean to less than what He meant by saying what he said.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mt. 7:13&14
I just happen to actually be one of those few, but you are not.
Good evening to you sir, madam or whatever gender classification you might haps be today. Who knows.
There is nothing further I've to say to you nor will any further exchange between us be of any profit in light of this posted heretical defense of your beliefs.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

If you are referring to Pentecost, what they received was the promised Spirit of Truth which empowered this group of frightened men to proclaim Jesus as Messiah. I do not know where you get a 'hand written document' from.
After all, the disciples had seen Jesus and not understood. Only the post-resurrection gift of the Spirit taught the disciples the full meaning of what they had seen and their witness was the witness of the Paraclete speaking through them.

There are three oaths, I think, referenced in Heb.Two of them are in plain sight, but one of them isn't. The third oath is referenced in Lk. 24:48 "I am going to send you what my father has promised; (only ME)"
This is the promise:
"And for Your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from EACH MAN,TOO, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow MAN." Gen. 9:5 NIV
So then the law was changed by adding the word REPENT into law increasing, Rom. 5:20, the sin, trespass, of Jesus' murder to universal accountability for each man which was authored, written, by the hand of the Mediator. Heb.2:10b Gal. 3:19. The only Way the law could be mediated is by ADDING since the law says "Do not subtract from My words." and Jesus was born under the law BTW. "Don't think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (compleat, finish, increaase the law's power etc.) and the complimentary component is:
"When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin" the sin of NOT having the faith to confess directly to God that you are truly sorry his only begotten son Jesus was murdered when he was crucified.
There is no other Way to escape from serving the penalty of eternal death and the are no exceptions. It is the law.
Have a good evening.

 

[pearl]

There are three oaths, I think, referenced in Heb.Two of them are in plain sight, but one of them isn't. The third oath is referenced in Lk. 24:48 "I am going to send you what my father has promised; (only ME)"
This is the promise:
"And for Your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from EACH MAN,TOO, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow MAN." Gen. 9:5 NIV
So then the law was changed by adding the word REPENT into law increasing, Rom. 5:20, the sin, trespass, of Jesus' murder to universal accountability for each man which was authored, written, by the hand of the Mediator. Heb.2:10b Gal. 3:19. The only Way the law could be mediated is by ADDING since the law says "Do not subtract from My words." and Jesus was born under the law BTW. "Don't think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (compleat, finish, increaase the law's power etc.) and the complimentary component is:
"When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin" the sin of NOT having the faith to confess directly to God that you are truly sorry his only begotten son Jesus was murdered when he was crucified.
There is no other Way to escape from serving the penalty of eternal death and the are no exceptions. It is the law.
Have a good evening.

Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures.
That repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
And Acts 26:23 answers the question as to how is it possible for Jesus the Messiah to preach to all nations in the fulfillment of Scripture. He will do it through Paul and the church. Jesus is the Messiah in a real and total sense only if God's salvation goes 'to the ends of the earth' through him.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them what referred to him in all the scriptures.
That repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
And Acts 26:23 answers the question as to how is it possible for Jesus the Messiah to preach to all nations in the fulfillment of Scripture. He will do it through Paul and the church. Jesus is the Messiah in a real and total sense only if God's salvation goes 'to the ends of the earth' through him.[/QUOTE

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

The question "how is it possible for Jesus the Messiah, etc" isn't the topic. And according to the scriptures it was the law that was fulfilled. I think that if you had an airplane ticket for a specified flight you'd get on some other airplane's flight attempting to prove you know more of the Way to get where you expect to arrive than the guy who actually does already know the Way to get there.