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Did Jesus call himself a prophet?

Shermana

Shermana

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Did Jesus call himself a prophet?

What is the OT statement about prophets and how to determine if one truly is one?

What does it say to be done to anyone who preaches to not obey the Mosaic Law according to the OT definition of prophets?



It is commonly stated by "Christians" that Jesus abrogated parts or all of the Jewish Law. How would that jive with what the OT says about prophets if Jesus calls himself a prophet?
 
1137

1137

Here until I storm off again
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We really have no idea what Jesus did or did not say. Only what the writers of the bible claim that he said.
 
Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
A better question would be, do we know why these laws were/are laws in the first place. Then we can better answer whether they are as rigid as some may or may not think.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
CynthiaCypher said:
No he didn't. But he did prophesize and his prophecies fail to come true. So what does that make him?
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What particularly do you think he prophecied that didn't come true? Are you sure your interpretation is necessarily correct? For instance, he wasn't necessarily prophecying the end of the world as opposed to the "end of the age", i.e. destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.
 
Shermana

Shermana

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The Doors of Perception said:
We really have no idea what Jesus did or did not say. Only what the writers of the bible claim that he said.
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I agree to a point, we don't know if Shakespeare really wrote Shakespeare either, so we can only take on faith what he said based on the writings.

However, for the sake of this debate, let's assume everything he did say was true as most "Christians" do, this thread is aimed squarely at them who think Jesus abrogated the Law.
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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Prophet and prophesize are used entirely incorrectly nowadays. They do not have anything to do with predicting the future. A prophet is one who speaks for God, or reveals God's will, or is a teacher on God's behalf.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
TouchedbytheLord said:
Prophet and prophesize are used entirely incorrectly nowadays. They do not have anything to do with predicting the future. A prophet is one who speaks for God, or reveals God's will, or is a teacher on God's behalf.
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Exactly!


And in relation to the OP, I don't know.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Shermana said:
Mark 6:4

New International Version (©1984)
Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

Apparently Jesus meant something else? Was he merely comparing himself to a prophet?
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Your question is on point.

He spoke of Himself in third person quite often.
He did so because an immediate claim to a personal relationship was not the message of His ministry.
And such claim would only bring argument in the face of authority.
Such authority came asking....and the responses were typically....indirect.
 
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F0uad

F0uad

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However, for the sake of this debate, let's assume everything he did say was true as most "Christians" do, this thread is aimed squarely at them who think Jesus abrogated the Law.
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In my own opinion i would say yes Jesus(p) was teaching a softer kind of approach to the law then the Pharisees what was given by Moses(p) since the law that was passed true Moses(p) was more a fast-justice Law to go from one place to the other (Egypt to Israel). In Jesus(p)'s time people were settled and mostly living peacefully, the only problem was that the Jews in that time forgot mercy when judging and became hard. In my understanding Mohammed's(saws) who also brought a law 600years later was between the one that Moses(p) was given and the one that Jesus(p) was spreading.

For example:

Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.
 
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Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Shermana said:
Mark 6:4

New International Version (©1984)
Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

Apparently Jesus meant something else? Was he merely comparing himself to a prophet?
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You haven't said what you think He means.

If this is what you think He means then I don't see anything in His statement that supports it.

Since Jesus does prophetic things and is often perceived as a prophet because of them, then He can use the term in relation to Himself even though He doesn't fulfill exactly what a prophet is.
 
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