djhwoodwerks
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Lol! This statement coming from someone who doesn't understand anything in the Bible that the "slave" doesn't explain to him! That doesn't stop you, does it?
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Did Jesus Claim to be God?
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Lol! This statement coming from someone who doesn't understand anything in the Bible that the "slave" doesn't explain to him! That doesn't stop you, does it?
djhwoodwerks
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Are you saying Jesus was born with the sin nature just like we are? Where does it say that?
djhwoodwerks
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Only because you don't understand the Bible.
djhwoodwerks
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Can you list one verse where Jesus said He was Michael?
djhwoodwerks
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What verse says Jesus was created?
djhwoodwerks
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That proves what?
djhwoodwerks
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Luk 4:8 (ESVST) 8 And Jesus answered him, "It is written, "'You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.
Paul said, there is "ONE" Lord, Jesus Christ. So if Jesus said, "the Lord your God" and meant God is Lord, then Paul was wrong when he said that Jesus is the "ONE" Lord. There would be two Lords, Lord God and the Lord Jesus.
1Co 8:5-6 (ESVST) 5 For although there may be so- called gods in heaven or on earth — as indeed there are many " gods" and many " lords"— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
Eph 4:4-6 (ESVST) 4 There is one body and one Spirit —just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call — 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
2Cor.5:20. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
For he hath 'made him "to be sin" for us, who knew no sin;' that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Heb.9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time 'without sin ' unto salvation.
shall he appear the second time ' without sin' unto salvation.
Rom.7:18. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not
nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh
Rom.8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh
I don't think it can be any clearer than this.
Peace.
For he hath 'made him "to be sin" for us, who knew no sin;' that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Heb.9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time 'without sin ' unto salvation.
shall he appear the second time ' without sin' unto salvation.
Rom.7:18. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not
nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh
Rom.8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh
I don't think it can be any clearer than this.
Peace.
moorea944
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Actually, that's all thru scripture. Your just told that he's God. Jesus was born, like us. Born of a woman, and yes, God was his father. But that doesnt make him God. God wanted a "son" whom He could work "through" to reconciling the world unto himself. Bible also tells us that he was make like his brethren.
Just one of many verses that tell us about his nature was Heb 2.
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he- also - himself - likewise - took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
"For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
There is more verses like these if you want them. But he had to be like us. Angels couldnt have saved us with there nature, but someone "like" us, could.
james2ko
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There are several. We can start with Rev 3:14:
Rev 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
Col.1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(into) him; 17and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell; 20and through him to reconcile all things unto(into) himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say , whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.
Rev.1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Not only the Beginning and Firstborn of all creation, but the Beginning, Firstborn of the Dead !
Peace.
muhammad_isa
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No .. it is possible .. but why 3? A bit of a coincidence isn't it? Greek/Roman culture already had gods in trinities. The 'real god' tells us to worship only Him (Him does not mean that God has a gender)
It's possible that Almighty God could consist of a billion parts or 4 parts or 2 parts..
No! Just One will do
No .. it is possible .. but why 3? A bit of a coincidence isn't it? Greek/Roman culture already had gods in trinities. The 'real god' tells us to worship only Him (Him does not mean that God has a gender)
It's possible that Almighty God could consist of a billion parts or 4 parts or 2 parts..
No! Just One will do
More than Greek/Roman culture because mankind can trace it's religious family tree further back to its roots, its base, in ancient Babylon.
Trace back to Noah's great-grandson Nimrod - Genesis 10:8-10
As the people left ancient Babylon they took with them their triad religious-myth practices and ideas, spreading them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
That is why even today we see so many similar and overlapping religious concepts and ideas in the world's religious groups.
Jesus too taught to worship only God - John 4:23-24
Just one will do - Deuteronomy 6:4; Deuteronomy 4:39
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12
NathanShepard8888
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Jesus never said that.
outhouse,
Have you ever heard the terms, Accommodation and Anthropomorphism. These terms are accepted by most Bible Scholars, to mean that's when God inspired the Bible writers to write, he used the same words that we use to explain things; father means father, son means son etc.
Jesus used both the son of God and the son of man, to describe himself, because that is what he was!!! John 5:25-27, 6:53, 10:34-36.
Consider what is said between Jesus and Peter at Matthew 16:13-17.
Jesus said that he lives because of the Father, John 6:57. In Proverbs we are told what a father is, Proverbs 23:22, a father begins your life.
Luke 3:22 speaks for itself, as does John 20:17.
Have you ever heard the terms, Accommodation and Anthropomorphism. These terms are accepted by most Bible Scholars, to mean that's when God inspired the Bible writers to write, he used the same words that we use to explain things; father means father, son means son etc.
Jesus used both the son of God and the son of man, to describe himself, because that is what he was!!! John 5:25-27, 6:53, 10:34-36.
Consider what is said between Jesus and Peter at Matthew 16:13-17.
Jesus said that he lives because of the Father, John 6:57. In Proverbs we are told what a father is, Proverbs 23:22, a father begins your life.
Luke 3:22 speaks for itself, as does John 20:17.
moorea944
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Great post!! Thanks! Well said.