Did Jesus Claim to be God?

[outhouse]

i do not believe God speaks blasphemy against Himself but He certainly is capable of speaking against the false concepts of men.

Yours is an opinion of faith, not credible history that shows man made the trinity concept long after jesus had died

 

[Muffled]

How's that? Why is it that if you spoke to a Jew today about the trinity, they would think that is absolutely absurd!! Why, if they are God's chosen people?.... Wouldnt they conform to the trinity of a multiple God? No one in scripture believed in it... You would figure that, that would be staple to their beliefs...

I believe Jews made idols so they don't serve as a good example of knowing what they should know.

"a multiple god" is not a term we use and I have no idea what one would be.

 

[Muffled]

Yours is an opinion of faith, not credible history that shows man made the trinity concept long after jesus had died

I believe there is no such thing as credible history when it comes to the words of Jesus.

I believe that is erroneous reasoning since not everything comes from credible history.

I believe I speak as the Holy Spirit has me speak of things that He knows and in this case it is that Jesus formed the Trinity in John 14.

 

[12jtartar]

outhouse,
Jesus never claimed to be a god!!! Jesus claimed to be God's son.
Consider what Jesus said about two people being required to settle a problem according to the Mosaic Law Covenant, Deuteronomy 19:15. At John 8:17,18, Jesus shows that God, is one witness, and that he, Jesus is one witness. They must be two people to fulfill this law.
Notice how Jesus answered the question about him claiming to be God, Jesus said that he was God's son, not calling himself God, even though, under the Mosaic Law Covenant, leaders, put in charge of judging the people of Israel were, actually called gods, Psalms 82:1,2,6,7, John 10:31-36, 5:17-27.
Consider what Jesus said, when Peter said that he, Jesus, was the Christ, the son of the living God, Matthew 16:13-16. Then look what Jesus said to Peter, Matthew 16:17. Jesus said, Blessed you are, Peter, because flesh and blood did not reveal that to you, but my Father, who is in heaven did.
Look up Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:41-44. Would Jesus fall facedown and pray so fervently to himself??? Also Hebrews 5:7-10, consider verse 7 where Jesus gives way to crying out and shedding tears, praying to the one who could save him out of death. Verse 8 says that Jesus learned obedience from the things he suffered! Could the Almighty LEARN anything, when He is omniscient??? Consider verse 9 where the scripture says he was made PERFECT!! The Almighty God is perfect in every way, and always has been.
With just these few scriptures, and there are many more that proves that Jesus NEVER called himself God.
Notice what Jesus said just a little after he was resurrected, John 20:17. Notice also John 17:1-3, does that look like he thought that he was God??? Or John 14:28- the Father is greater than I am.
NOW, If Jesus had called himself god, it would have accurate, but Jesus is not THE God, whose name is Jehovah, Exodus 6:3,Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, 26:4.
Consider also what is written at Isaiah 9:6 where Jesus is called a Mighty God. The Hebrew word used for Jesus was El Gabbohr, which is very different from the Almighty God, El Shaddai. In English the most acceptable pronunciation of the Hebrew letters for the proper or personal name of God, YHWH, is JEHOVAH.
If you study the Holy Scriptures closely, you will see that Jesus in heaven, before coming to earth, was called Michael, 1Thessalonians 4:16, Jude 9, Revelation 12:7. The things that Michael does are the same as what Jesus does, Daniel 12:1, 10:21. Now that Jesus has gone to heaven, it seems that he is again called Michael.

 

[outhouse]

I believe there is no such thing as credible history when it comes to the words of Jesus.

I'm sorry you refuse credible education and knowledge not in dispute by anyone with credibility.

I believe that is erroneous reasoning since not everything comes from credible history.

You have faith, and faith alone.

Meanwhile we work with evidence, reason and logic.

 

[outhouse]

Jesus claimed to be God's son.

No he did not.

Some unknown author that never knew jesus made that claim, and even then he did not say that directly nor implied it directly even in your apologetic understanding of history.

 

[outhouse]

God's son

Context is key. You may be imagining it means literally gods son, WHEN it could mean we are all gods children.

And textually it may even imply your version. Problem is none of the NT authors ever witnessed jesus in person

 

[moorea944]

I believe Jews made idols so they don't serve as a good example of knowing what they should know.

"a multiple god" is not a term we use and I have no idea what one would be.

What I mean by a multiple God would be the trinitarians God. God is one, but he's not. He's three, yet one... that sort of crazy thing....

 

[Muffled]

I'm sorry you refuse credible education and knowledge not in dispute by anyone with credibility.

I believe I am credible and others are not.

You have faith, and faith alone.

I believe I have faith and reason and education.

Meanwhile we work with evidence, reason and logic.

I believe that means you are deficient and therefore often in error.

 

[Muffled]

What I mean by a multiple God would be the trinitarians God. God is one, but he's not. He's three, yet one... that sort of crazy thing....

I believe you may call it that but it shows your lack of understanding when you do. He is one and never three. The trinity is not about God being three but about how God can manifest Himself in men as well as in Spirit.

 

[outhouse]

I believe that means you are deficient and therefore often in error.

Believe or have faith all you want.

But this is a debate section and faith is worthless here.

Your opinion means nothing what so ever. Now if you chose to substantiate your claims that would be another story.

BUT we both know you CANNOT substantiate a single word

 

[firedragon]

outhouse,
Jesus never claimed to be a god!!! Jesus claimed to be God's son.
Consider what Jesus said about two people being required to settle a problem according to the Mosaic Law Covenant, Deuteronomy 19:15. At John 8:17,18, Jesus shows that God, is one witness, and that he, Jesus is one witness. They must be two people to fulfill this law.
Notice how Jesus answered the question about him claiming to be God, Jesus said that he was God's son, not calling himself God, even though, under the Mosaic Law Covenant, leaders, put in charge of judging the people of Israel were, actually called gods, Psalms 82:1,2,6,7, John 10:31-36, 5:17-27.
Consider what Jesus said, when Peter said that he, Jesus, was the Christ, the son of the living God, Matthew 16:13-16. Then look what Jesus said to Peter, Matthew 16:17. Jesus said, Blessed you are, Peter, because flesh and blood did not reveal that to you, but my Father, who is in heaven did.
Look up Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:41-44. Would Jesus fall facedown and pray so fervently to himself??? Also Hebrews 5:7-10, consider verse 7 where Jesus gives way to crying out and shedding tears, praying to the one who could save him out of death. Verse 8 says that Jesus learned obedience from the things he suffered! Could the Almighty LEARN anything, when He is omniscient??? Consider verse 9 where the scripture says he was made PERFECT!! The Almighty God is perfect in every way, and always has been.
With just these few scriptures, and there are many more that proves that Jesus NEVER called himself God.
Notice what Jesus said just a little after he was resurrected, John 20:17. Notice also John 17:1-3, does that look like he thought that he was God??? Or John 14:28- the Father is greater than I am.
NOW, If Jesus had called himself god, it would have accurate, but Jesus is not THE God, whose name is Jehovah, Exodus 6:3,Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, 26:4.
Consider also what is written at Isaiah 9:6 where Jesus is called a Mighty God. The Hebrew word used for Jesus was El Gabbohr, which is very different from the Almighty God, El Shaddai. In English the most acceptable pronunciation of the Hebrew letters for the proper or personal name of God, YHWH, is JEHOVAH.
If you study the Holy Scriptures closely, you will see that Jesus in heaven, before coming to earth, was called Michael, 1Thessalonians 4:16, Jude 9, Revelation 12:7. The things that Michael does are the same as what Jesus does, Daniel 12:1, 10:21. Now that Jesus has gone to heaven, it seems that he is again called Michael.

• Jesus claimed to be Son of God much much more often than Son of God.
• Brother, cmon, how can YHWH be JEHOWAH? There is no J in Hebrew. And even in English, you can see its YHWH.

If your name Joy, it would not be funny to call you JoJ.

 

[moorea944]

I believe you may call it that but it shows your lack of understanding when you do. He is one and never three. The trinity is not about God being three but about how God can manifest Himself in men as well as in Spirit.

Your right, I agree with you. I do have lack of understanding about the trinity...... Maybe that's a good thing too...

 

[moorea944]

• Jesus claimed to be Son of God much much more often than Son of God.
• Brother, cmon, how can YHWH be JEHOWAH? There is no J in Hebrew. And even in English, you can see its YHWH.

If your name Joy, it would not be funny to call you JoJ.

• Brother, cmon, how can YHWH be JEHOWAH? There is no J in Hebrew. And even in English, you can see its YHWH.

• That's so true. Jehovah is not biblical. It's found mostly in KJV and NKJV. Translators put that one in. It is YHWH. I forgot the date, but a group of arch's dug up a tablet in the middle east and it talked about the God of the Israelites, YHWH. And like you said, there are no J's in Hebrew.

 

[firedragon]

• That's so true. Jehovah is not biblical. It's found mostly in KJV and NKJV. Translators put that one in. It is YHWH. I forgot the date, but a group of arch's dug up a tablet in the middle east and it talked about the God of the Israelites, YHWH. And like you said, there are no J's in Hebrew.

Brother. KJV is English. YHWH is there in the bible, a lot. A lot a lot. Lol.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I believe you may call it that but it shows your lack of understanding when you do. He is one and never three. The trinity is not about God being three but about how God can manifest Himself in men as well as in Spirit.

Yes .. Almighty God is one. It's a pity about Christianity's history, with the interference of Roman empire and pagan concepts such as the trinity being introduced/enforced..

Of course, the argument about whether God has a son or not, should not change our faith in any substantial way, but alas, it often does.. one set of dogma leads to another etc.

 

[Muffled]

Yes .. Almighty God is one. It's a pity about Christianity's history, with the interference of Roman empire and pagan concepts such as the trinity being introduced/enforced..

Of course, the argument about whether God has a son or not, should not change our faith in any substantial way, but alas, it often does.. one set of dogma leads to another etc.

I believe this is nothing more than fantasized nonsense.

I believe faith in false doctrines needs to be challenged for a person to grow in his faith. I believe the problem lies not in believing that God has a son but as to what kind of son He has. It has four meanings
in the Bible.

 

[moorea944]

I believe this is nothing more than fantasized nonsense.

I believe faith in false doctrines needs to be challenged for a person to grow in his faith. I believe the problem lies not in believing that God has a son but as to what kind of son He has. It has four meanings
in the Bible.

Can you give us the four meanings? Thx

 

[outhouse]

I believe this is nothing more than fantasized nonsense.

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Cannot the same thing be said about everything you reply with?

If you tried using credible sources you might gain a small amount of credibility

 

[Muffled]

Can you give us the four meanings? Thx

1. God has created all persons

2. God has a favored person

3. God is that person alone

4. God is in that person together with another spirit.