Did Jesus Claim to be God?

[katiemygirl]

Is it certain that Jesus claimed to be God? Why or why not?

Yes! Many Scriptures have already been posted, which show Jesus claimed to be God, so I won't bother to repeat. It wouldn't matter anyway because yours and others' minds are made up. The Jews of Jesus' day knew He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him because of it.

"You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

If Jesus is not God, then His death was meaningless, and we are all in big trouble. A created being could not pay the penalty for the sins of the world. Only GOD could do that.

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

Jesus is God!

 

[moorea944]

Maybe you don't understand.

or you just refuse to address credible sources.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christology

The Kyrios title for Jesus is central to the development of New Testament Christology, for the early Christians placed it at the center of their understanding, and from that center attempted to understand the other issues related to the Christian mysteries.[22] The question of the deity of Christ in the New Testament is inherently related to the Kyrios title of Jesus used in the early Christian writings and its implications for the absolute lordship of Jesus. In early Christian belief, the concept of Kyrios included the pre-existence of Christ, for they believed if Christ is one with God, he must have been united with God from the very beginning.[22][23]




Here from the beginning they claim Jesus is one with god. UNITED.


No one is putting the trinity in. Many people believed he was god from the start.

Maybe you don't understand. or you just refuse to address credible sources.

Wikipedia is credible sourses for you? Wow.....

Here from the beginning they claim Jesus is one with god. UNITED.

What beginning are you talking about...

No one is putting the trinity in. Many people believed he was god from the start.

Yes, but most people didnt.

 

[moorea944]

Yes! Many Scriptures have already been posted, which show Jesus claimed to be God, so I won't bother to repeat. It wouldn't matter anyway because yours and others' minds are made up. The Jews of Jesus' day knew He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him because of it.

"You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

If Jesus is not God, then His death was meaningless, and we are all in big trouble. A created being could not pay the penalty for the sins of the world. Only GOD could do that.

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

Jesus is God!

Wow, I cant believe what I"m reading from your post!!!

Jesus raised himself from death? Doesnt scripture tell us that God raised him from the dead? His father AND God? The apostles even preached that.....

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

Some Jews did believe that Jesus was telling everyone he was God. "Some Jews". But when you continue reading scripture, he never says that. He always gave his Father the glory in everything!

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

1. God is everywhere, not Jesus. Jesus is not like his father.
2. Jesus can give eternal life now because his father has given him the power to do things. God is are ultimite saviour, but now he does it "through" his son. Scirpture even tells us that.
3. Jesus didnt create creation. God did. Jesus wasnt here yet. He wasnt born. Jesus DID NOT pre-exist.

Jesus is God

God is God, not Jesus. Putting Jesus as God totally degrades our Creator. You put Him equal with someone else.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wikipedia is credible sourses for you? Wow.....

And your evidence that Wikipedia is nor a credible source is what?

 

[moorea944]

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

What is this verse telling us? That Jesus is God? Jesus was like us, in nature. He is not a mere man, Yes, God was his Father. But the messiah had to be a man. LIke us, Same nature. He had to "overcome sin".
David was even told that the messiah would come from him! Not God coming down to earth, changing into a man. But it would be from a woman. Simple language.

 

[moorea944]

And your evidence that Wikipedia is nor a credible source is what?

I"m not saying "everything" is not credible, but in some scriptural thing, yes.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wikipedia is credible sourses for you? Wow.....

And your evidence that Wikipedia is nor a credible source is what?

I"m not saying "everything" is not credible, but in some scriptural thing, yes.

Are you having trouble understanding my question? Again: what is your evidence that Wikipedia is not a credible source?

 

[Sunstone]

It wouldn't matter anyway because yours and others' minds are made up.

Good to know. Thanks for the help in discovering that.

 

[outhouse]

Yes, but most people didnt.

So what? It is 100% non sequitur.

It had just started and outgrew the old religion rapidly.


Christianity was founded on people who believed he was god, and most followers viewed him as god. That is why they wrote him in that way.

 

[moorea944]

So what? It is 100% non sequitur.

It had just started and outgrew the old religion rapidly.


Christianity was founded on people who believed he was god, and most followers viewed him as god. That is why they wrote him in that way.

No, I have to disagree. Christianity has changed since the org. teachings of Jesus and apostles. The truth has been corrupted through out the years. Jesus taught that he was the son of God. Now.... he's God the son....

 

[outhouse]

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

This was not a debate if he was god or not, they thought he was god and hated the OT god.

This was rhetoric against those who thought he was god in spirit form, not human god hybrid.


But thanks for playing

 

[outhouse]

Jesus taught that he was the son of God.

No he did not by our best accounts.

His followers ONLY taught that

Now.... he's God the son....

False

He was god from the get go.

The people who called him god, were the same people who called the living Emperor god and the son of god.


This was not a Jewish redefinition of god

This was a Hellenistic redefinition of god

 

[moorea944]

No he did not by our best accounts.

His followers ONLY taught that



False

He was god from the get go.

The people who called him god, were the same people who called the living Emperor god and the son of god.


This was not a Jewish redefinition of god

This was a Hellenistic redefinition of god

How did everyone know that he was the son of God? Who told them? Jesus did teach. And he wasnt God from the get go. He was born a man, the son of God.
God wanted His son to be a man. IF he was a God, the atonement goes right out the window. Doesnt scripture tell us that God is one and there are no other God beside him? Think about it. Why would you want to believe that Jesus is God anyhow? That is the opposite of scripture.

When Moses said, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one.". What do you think they thought? Do you think they said, this is confusing, a mystery and we cant understand. It's not meant to be understood that God is one. There are other Gods beside Him. We are confused.

Or.... do you think they understood Moses that their God was one and no other Gods beside Him......

 

[moorea944]

One more example....

Everyone calls Jesus the son of God. Why are people changing that to God the son? This is what I mean. See how things change through out time? Christianity now believes in things that are not in the bible. Like trinity, rapture, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, etc, etc. .....

 

[outhouse]

He was born a man, the son of God.

False.

He was born a man.

And only after his death was he labeled as "son of god" but Hellenist who worshipped the Emperor as son of god.

In Judaism it would be blasphemous to mess with gods definition. But not in Hellenism who perverted Judaism for centuries

 

[outhouse]

Christianity now believes in things that are not in the bible.

Jews are not innocent.

They redefined god more then Christians.

Christianity now believes in things that are not in the bible. Like trinity, rapture, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, etc, etc. .....

Non sequitur.

Just because Jews redacted and edited the bible for a thousand years, does not mean they do the same thing?

Judaism was redefined after Jesus died as well.

 

[moorea944]

False.

He was born a man.

And only after his death was he labeled as "son of god" but Hellenist who worshipped the Emperor as son of god.

In Judaism it would be blasphemous to mess with gods definition. But not in Hellenism who perverted Judaism for centuries

Yes, he was born a man. But I thought you believed that he was God? Interesting....

He was "labeled" the son of God before his birth. Mary was told that in Luke 1, Daniel, also David knew that he would have a son and it would be God's son too.

 

[outhouse]

He was "labeled" the son of God before his birth

Sorry that is not credible historical knowledge.

That is apologetic faith that is not historically credible.

Mary was told that in Luke 1,

You believe all Christian text literally?

But I thought you believed that he was God?

Where did I say or imply that ?

 

[moorea944]

Sorry that is not credible historical knowledge.

That is apologetic faith that is not historically credible.



You believe all Christian text literally?



Where did I say or imply that ?

Sorry that is not credible historical knowledge.

It's bible knowledge.

You believe all Christian text literally?

Of course not. We have a book like Revelation that is symbollic and literal. But Luke 1 is literal. Why would you say it's not? Because it doesnt fit your beliefs?

 

[outhouse]

It's bible knowledge.

No it Is not.


Some Scholars say its mythology, not knowledge.

Knowledge implies truth, and apologetic rhetoric is not knowledge in a historical context. AND we are discussing historical aspects of the religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus

Many scholars do not see the Luke and Matthew nativity stories as historically factual

modern scholars do not use much of the birth narratives for historical information.