Did jesus committ suicide or not?

[CMike]

I would imagine if he committed suicide and you are christian you should be happy. After all then all your sins are forgiven according to christian beliefs.

However, why would you then be upset that he died?

If he didn't committ suicide, then your sins aren't forgiven based on christian beliefs.

 

[Sleeppy]

When Hadrian issued his terrible decrees outlawing the practice of Judaism, and in particular making it illegal to teach Torah on the pain of death, it was Rabbi Akiva who boldly stood up in a public square and began teaching Torah. The Romans, indeed, arrested him and put him in prison. In the same prison was his friend Pappus, who was caught for selling goods on the black market. “Happy are you, Rabbi Akiva,” Pappus told him, “that you were arrested for teaching Torah. Woe to Pappus, who was arrested for trying to make a few dollars.”

Rabbi Akiva was executed by the Romans on the eve of Yom Kippur in the city of Caesarea where even today one can see the ruins of Hippodrome, which was the arena where the Romans executed people publicly. Even as they tortured him to death he recited the final words of a Jew, the great proclamation of faith in God and His oneness, “Hear, O Israel, God is our God; God is one.”

His students, who stood nearby as the Romans were flaying flesh with iron combs, asked, “Even till now?” Are you still thinking about your obligations to God even at this horrific, tragic moment?

“All my life,” he said to them, “I waited for the opportunity to show how much I love God, and now that I have the opportunity should I waste it?”

Then, “he died with the word One” on his lips, the Talmud (Berachos 61b) says.

Did Rabbi Akiva commit suicide?

 

[CMike]

No. That would be a sin.

 

[paarsurrey]

I would imagine if he committed suicide and you are christian you should be happy. After all then all your sins are forgiven according to christian beliefs.

However, why would you then be upset that he died?

If he didn't committ suicide, then your sins aren't forgiven based on christian beliefs.

Jesus did not commit a suicide and the Christians are not forgiven.

Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

the Christians are not forgiven.

Excuse me?

 

[rusra02]

I would imagine if he committed suicide and you are christian you should be happy. After all then all your sins are forgiven according to christian beliefs.

However, why would you then be upset that he died?

If he didn't committ suicide, then your sins aren't forgiven based on christian beliefs.

No, Jesus dis not commit suicide. As explained in W14 3/15; "WHEN Jesus was on earth, he set a perfect example of self-sacrifice. He put aside his own desires and comforts in order to do God’s will. (John 5:30) By remaining faithful to death on the torture stake, he proved that his spirit of self-sacrifice had no limit.—Phil. 2:8." Jesus was executed by the Jews and Romans unjustly.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

No, Jesus dis not commit suicide. As explained in W14 3/15; "WHEN Jesus was on earth, he set a perfect example of self-sacrifice. He put aside his own desires and comforts in order to do God’s will. (John 5:30) By remaining faithful to death on the torture stake, he proved that his spirit of self-sacrifice had no limit.—Phil. 2:8." Jesus was executed by the Jews and Romans unjustly.

Suicide by cop is still suicide.

 

[InChrist]

According to the scriptures and what I believe to be true, Jesus performed a sacrificial rescue mission for the sake of humanity.

 

[Quintessence]

Suicide by cop is still suicide.

Although technically correct, I think given our culture's views on suicide, using that term to describe what Jesus did is inappropriate and either cheapens or misconstrues the meaning of that story.

 

[outhouse]

I don't think it was suicide.

He got out of the temple, and possibly thought he was scott free.


They had to have a someone rat him off, and take a goon squad directly to him in the night as he slept.


On another note, this was a big party, everyone was drunk, mistakes and drama go down just like they do now.

Suicide, not from my angle, as written by people who wanted to make him a god on paper? it has and can be mistaken as a known sacrifice.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Although technically correct, I think given our culture's views on suicide, using that term to describe what Jesus did is inappropriate and either cheapens or misconstrues the meaning of that story.

A perfect example of irony, considering suicide is viewed as inappropriate because of Christianity. No reason to bow to convention when the convention is hypocritical.

 

[Pegg]

I would imagine if he committed suicide and you are christian you should be happy. After all then all your sins are forgiven according to christian beliefs.

However, why would you then be upset that he died?

If he didn't committ suicide, then your sins aren't forgiven based on christian beliefs.

when the high priest made the sacrifice for the sins of the nation on the annual day of atonement, did the bull commit suicide?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

when the high priest made the sacrifice for the sins of the nation on the annual day of atonement, did the bull commit suicide?

Did the bull consent?

 

[Cardboard]

Well the difference as I see it is that, Jesus believing he was the son of god, he was saving mankind by allowing himself to be crucified, just as any of us would jump in front of someone that was going to shoot our family.

I do not think it was suicide in the general sense.


1)It was not done by his own hand,

2) It was not done in despair, depression, chronic pain or shame.

Jesus believed he was sacrificing him self to save others, at least from what i can take of it.

 

[Amechania]

Not only did Jesus willingly accept a death sentence he could have easily avoided he advocated that others do the same. He recommends it.

 

[outhouse]

Not only did Jesus willingly accept a death sentence he could have easily avoided he advocated that others do the same. He recommends it.

jesus never said anything actually recorded by a witness, so how can you be right?


Only later authors from another culture and place, wrote all this.

 

[Amechania]

jesus never said anything actually recorded by a witness, so how can you be right?


Only later authors from another culture and place, wrote all this.

All I have to go on is the New Testament. I'm not sure about anything. However, we know for a fact that in the early days of the Christian movement many people martyred themselves in emulation of Jesus, rather than assent to such trivial matters as paying a small temple tax to the Cult of the Imperator. Others were martyred for other minor infractions of the law. The Church as we know it was born of the blood of the martyrs.

 

[outhouse]

All I have to go on is the New Testament. I'm not sure about anything. However, we know for a fact that in the early days of the Christian movement many people martyred themselves in emulation of Jesus, rather than assent to such trivial matters as paying a small temple tax to the Cult of the Imperator. Others were martyred for other minor infractions of the law. The Church as we know it was born of the blood of the martyrs.

You made a statement

"He recommends it." I say he never did, nor did have a reason to comment on it.

I think your position is unsupported and im asking you for some substantiation here. The above is more of an excuse then an explanation.

We, would suspect they arrested him in bed, that is getting caught, NOT jumping into the frying pan.


They were creating a deity and divinity in scripture by all my accounts. And were working the whole sacrifice angle as a god would do.


It is apologetics not history. Religious text is not always history.

 

[Amechania]

You made a statement

"He recommends it." I say he never did, nor did have a reason to comment on it.

I think your position is unsupported and im asking you for some substantiation here. The above is more of an excuse then an explanation.

We, would suspect they arrested him in bed, that is getting caught, NOT jumping into the frying pan.


They were creating a deity and divinity in scripture by all my accounts. And were working the whole sacrifice angle as a god would do.


It is apologetics not history. Religious text is not always history.

you are entitled to your opinion. If you want to reject the validity of religious texts when they are all we have to go on then there is nothing to discuss. As far as Jesus recommending martyrdom, not only by his actions, but "blessed are you when they persecute you in my name" He is blessing martyrdom.

 

[outhouse]

If you want to reject the validity of religious texts when they are all we have to go on then there is nothing to discuss.


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That is an error on your part, pretty serious to.

We can only determine historicity of scripture with study. It is not take or leave it

As far as Jesus recommending martyrdom, not only by his actions, but "blessed are you when they persecute you in my name" He is blessing martyrdom.

I am unaware he actually said or wrote this. I dont think you can substantiate that as coming from him


Are you sure that did not come from one of the unknown Hellenist authors ??