Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

[Subduction Zone]

Funny I just did a search on how many scholars agree Jesus lived in the new testament etc, they said 100 PERCENT OF BIBLICAL SCHOLARS Biblical? This would include OMG yall base your version of scholars on Pastors and theology majors holy smolies I smell a scam. Thats a scam. You cant use biblical scholars as proof of all scholars. BYW ita not all scholars its all biblical scholars, just to correct you and every other Christian who keeps scamming me by claiming all scholars, thats a scam, I feel scammed.

To be honest there probably was a historical Jesus. But conflating the historical Jesus with magical Jesus is like conflating historical Abraham Lincoln with Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

 

[sooda]

To be honest there probably was a historical Jesus. But conflating the historical Jesus with magical Jesus is like conflating historical Abraham Lincoln with Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

I agree with you.. I wonder if the followers of Jesus embellished the story and what their motives were. He probably was a holy man so wasn't he enough??

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree with you.. I wonder if the followers of Jesus embellished the story and what their motives were. He probably was a holy man so wasn't he enough??

Stories tend to grow with the telling. It is part of human nature. We don't see it as much today since we have written records of almost everyone of importance. But in a preliterate world where very few could read and write take telling was still how records were kept.

 

[sooda]

Stories tend to grow with the telling. It is part of human nature. We don't see it as much today since we have written records of almost everyone of importance. But in a preliterate world where very few could read and write take telling was still how records were kept.

Well, it had to be a BIG story to be remembered.. We still have conspiracy theorists so maybe that's some holdover from the "preliterate" world.

 

[Riders]

To be honest there probably was a historical Jesus. But conflating the historical Jesus with magical Jesus is like conflating historical Abraham Lincoln with Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

I can believe that because there was also a Messiah movement with the Jews and personally I think Jesus was a member of the Messiah movement maybe a leader...........

 

[Spartan]

If you think Christian scholars are just a pack of liars and biased know-nothings, then you are not well read. Many of them are former skeptics and atheists who have come to know the truth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you think Christian scholars are just a pack of liars and biased know-nothings, then you are not well read. Many of them are former skeptics and atheists who have come to know the truth.

There are Christian scholars and then there are apologists. And if you think that either Josh McDowell or Lee Strobel were skeptics you are sadly mistaken. They did not approach the Jesus issue as a skeptic would. They both had the burden of proof backwards.

 

[Riders]

If you think Christian scholars are just a pack of liars and biased know-nothings, then you are not well read. Many of them are former skeptics and atheists who have come to know the truth.

There are many Bible scholars who become Atheists or members of other religions for that matter, so I can say the same right back at you.

The first UU church in Dallas Tx Unitarian Universalist church, it was started in the 60s by hippies who previously were theology students at Baylor Baptist seminary college. They knew that most Seminary students in the Baptist colleges were actually Atheists. They felt like teaching Christianity was the only way to make people have a reason to act right and live right.

So the first UU leaders in Dallas were ex Southern Baptist seminary students!

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are many Bible scholars who become Atheists or members of other religions for that matter, so I can say the same right back at you.

The first UU church in Dallas Tx Unitarian Universalist church, it was started in the 60s by hippies who previously were theology students at Baylor Baptist seminary college. They knew that most Seminary students in the Baptist colleges were actually Atheists. They felt like teaching Christianity was the only way to make people have a reason to act right and live right.

So the first UU leaders in Dallas were ex Southern Baptist seminary students!

@Spartan may have put me on ignore. I have a suspicion that he could not handle losing arguments to me or to some of the other atheists here. He did not like it that I could counter his claims with more reliable sources. So you might want to link this site to him:

The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief

The Clergy Project consists of a group of preachers and former preachers that saw the light. They are now atheists. When your career depends upon preaching and you don't know anything else it can be very difficult to leave the church. The Clergy Project is an organization to help those in such a situation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lookie here - another skeptic who refuses to read the historical accounts that would refute his unbiblical beliefs.

What historical accounts?

Can't help you. You refuse to learn.

Can't help you. You refuse to understand the difference between a claim and evidence of said claim.

By the way, how would you possibly know those five books I recommended for you are biased if you haven't read them?

By the titles and the authors.
One of them literally has "christian apologetics" in the title.

 

[Audie]

on some level, yes

Do Not Love the World

Too bad for you.

 

[Audie]

skipping to the positive...….He is still alive
somewhere.....somehow...…

you will meet Him

the universe may be large
and you might be one in billions hiding in the crowd

but no matter......you will meet Him

Facts not in evidence is stock in trade for theos.

 

[Audie]

If you think Christian scholars are just a pack of liars and biased know-nothings, then you are not well read. Many of them are former skeptics and atheists who have come to know the truth.

If you think they are all capable anf intellectually honest
you are dreadfully naive.

 

[Spartan]

If you think they are all capable anf intellectually honest
you are dreadfully naive.

I don't think that at all.

Jesus has Risen indeed!

 

[Spartan]

@Spartan may have put me on ignore. I have a suspicion that he could not handle losing arguments to me or to some of the other atheists here. He did not like it that I could counter his claims with more reliable sources.

In your dreams.

If and when your sources deny the resurrected Jesus Christ then they are Biblically and spiritually challenged charlatans.

 

[Audie]

I don't think that at all.
!

Good. I did not think you a complete idiot.
Perhaps you could extended that courtesy to others.

 

[Spartan]

There are many Bible scholars who become Atheists or members of other religions for that matter, so I can say the same right back at you.

The first UU church in Dallas Tx Unitarian Universalist church, it was started in the 60s by hippies who previously were theology students at Baylor Baptist seminary college. They knew that most Seminary students in the Baptist colleges were actually Atheists. They felt like teaching Christianity was the only way to make people have a reason to act right and live right.

So the first UU leaders in Dallas were ex Southern Baptist seminary students!

I saw this from a UU Church website: inSpirit: UUA Bookstore and Gift Shop: Understanding the Bible

A book...

"Designed to help empower skeptics, seekers, nonbelievers, and those of a liberal and progressive outlook to reclaim the Bible from literalists."

Sorry if this offends, but liberalism does not encourage Biblical truths. Instead it pushes unbiblical lifestyles (such as gay marriage), and in instances incorporates far eastern theologies that are incompatible with Biblical truths.

Someone needs to rescue the Bible from progressives.

If Christ is not Risen, then those who believe that are dead in their sins (1 Corinthians 15 NIV).

 

[Spartan]

Good. I did not think you a complete idiot.
Perhaps you could extended that courtesy to others.

I value any scholar who has traditional, BIBLICAL beliefs in the historical, risen Jesus Christ and values God's moral laws. Those who teach otherwise are false teachers and are in need of help with their theology.

 

[Audie]

I value any scholar who has traditional, BIBLICAL beliefs in the historical, risen Jesus Christ and values God's moral laws. Those who teach otherwise are false teachers and are in need of help with their theology.

That describes the refined essence of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Audie]

I saw this from a UU Church website: inSpirit: UUA Bookstore and Gift Shop: Understanding the Bible

A book...

"Designed to help empower skeptics, seekers, nonbelievers, and those of a liberal and progressive outlook to reclaim the Bible from literalists."

Sorry if this offends, but liberalism does not encourage Biblical truths. Instead it pushes unbiblical lifestyles (such as gay marriage), and in instances incorporates far eastern theologies that are incompatible with Biblical truths.

Someone needs to rescue the Bible from progressives.

If Christ is not Risen, then those who believe that are dead in their sins (1 Corinthians 15 NIV).

So are you a biblical literalist?