Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

[URAVIP2ME]

Not according to Mark...

I find Mark does say at Mark 16:6 that Jesus is risen.
Mark does Not say Jesus resurrected himself.
So, Mark is Not out of harmony with the rest of Scripture which teaches the God of Jesus resurrected Jesus.
- Acts of the Apostles 2:24; Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Colossians 2:12; Ephesians 1:20

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Think... The bodies of dead criminals were thrown on the city dump.

... and I find that city dump (Gehenna) was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever.
So, it is No wonder that Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be 'destroyed forever'.

 

[sooda]

... and I find that city dump (Gehenna) was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever.

Yes.. that's where they burned their garbage.

 

[sojourner]

I find Mark does say at Mark 16:6 that Jesus is risen.
Mark does Not say Jesus resurrected himself.
So, Mark is Not out of harmony with the rest of Scripture which teaches the God of Jesus resurrected Jesus.
- Acts of the Apostles 2:24; Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Colossians 2:12; Ephesians 1:20

But it’s not so definitive as the others. There are no post-resurrection appearances, no ascension, no proclamation. Just a cliffhanger.

 

[Kilk1]

No, all I’m saying is that we can’t know for sure whether he was resurrected or not, based on highly mythic biblical accounts. Jesus’ birth and resurrection CLOSELY parallel those of Augustus. It is postulated that the Jesus story is lifted from that of Augustus (especially given that the oldest extant artwork of Jesus is a blatant ripoff of a depiction of Augustus).

For purposes of citation, what ancient sources are you referencing that speak of Agustus's supernatural birth and resurrection? Also, who postulates that Jesus's story was taken from him? Thanks in advance.

 

[sojourner]

For purposes of citation, what ancient sources are you referencing that speak of Agustus's supernatural birth and resurrection? Also, who postulates that Jesus's story was taken from him? Thanks in advance.

Something I picked up in a class on the Synoptics in seminary. I’d have to look up the reference. Unfortunately, we’ve recently moved and all my books are still packed.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Such things happen sometimes. Yes, she was a virgin and nobody had sex with her before Jesus birth. It is a rare possibility, but it does happen, one in millions, please.

Regards

Except that Jesus is the wrong sex if this occurred.

And one's argument please?
Regards

 

[Subduction Zone]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Such things happen sometimes. Yes, she was a virgin and nobody had sex with her before Jesus birth. It is a rare possibility, but it does happen, one in millions, please.

Regards

And one's argument please?
Regards

Parthenogenesis can only result in female births.

 

[We Never Know]

this is why no one tries to help you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And when and how to face palm is a skill that is lacking too.

You screwed up, you could not admit it. Let me explain how you screwed up, you took others too literally. That is a problem that creationists tend to have. Try to read a little deeper into posts. If you don't understand ask questions politely.

 

[paarsurrey]

Parthenogenesis can only result in female births.

History* tells us that an ancestor of Genghis Khan was also born from a virgin. Right, please?
There are sometimes and or always some exceptions.Right, please?
Regards

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* Lococo Paul, Genghis Khan: History's Greatest Empire Builder, Potomac Books, 2008

 

[Subduction Zone]

History* tells us that an ancestor of Genghis Khan was also born from a virgin. Right, please?
There are sometimes and or always some exceptions.Right, please?
Regards

_____________
* Lococo Paul, Genghis Khan: History's Greatest Empire Builder, Potomac Books, 2008

No. It does not. That may have been a myth about him, but historians usually can separate reality from fantasy.

 

[We Never Know]

And when and how to face palm is a skill that is lacking too.

You screwed up, you could not admit it. Let me explain how you screwed up, you took others too literally. That is a problem that creationists tend to have. Try to read a little deeper into posts. If you don't understand ask questions politely.

There it is! When you can't beat them, call them a creationist. You probably have more belief for a god than I've ever had.

 

[Prince Mthembu]

Using this logic, all religions with texts have to be true stories, as long as they've been around for more than a decade.
You might want to re-think that line of reasoning.

Texts should be true occurrences, of course. What do you mean by re-think that line of reasoning?

 

[paarsurrey]

No. It does not. That may have been a myth about him, but historians usually can separate reality from fantasy.

I gave a reference of a book of history.
Regards

 

[Subduction Zone]

I gave a reference of a book of history.
Regards

I could quote and link Wiki, that beats a so called reference book with no links. No real historian would take that claim seriously. I see two possibilities. You either misunderstood your source, or you picked a very very poor source.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There it is! When you can't beat them, call them a creationist. You probably have more belief for a god than I've ever had.

Look at how you refuse to understand your errors. I said that you were like a creationist in that regard, not that you were one. You can do better than this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Texts should be true occurrences, of course. What do you mean by re-think that line of reasoning?

He was pointing out that your sort of thinking leads to self contradiction.

 

[Kilk1]

Something I picked up in a class on the Synoptics in seminary. I’d have to look up the reference. Unfortunately, we’ve recently moved and all my books are still packed.

I understand. Nevertheless, I have a feeling that once we see the sources, connecting Jesus to Augustus will not work.

 

[sojourner]

I understand. Nevertheless, I have a feeling that once we see the sources, connecting Jesus to Augustus will not work.

I dunno... I was convinced.