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Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

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URAVIP2ME

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Prince Mthembu said:
Pause with the beliefs now we are talking fact - the shroud remain the most studied artifact in the world as we speak.
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Studying an artifact will never prove such a shroud because as 2 Corinthians 5:7 says we walk by faith Not by sight.
This is why Jesus said his followers would worship his God with ' spirit ' and ' truth ' at John 4:23-24.
It would be a lively spirited worship based on Scripture truth and Not anything else.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Riders said:
No the bible says his body was as when he was crucified which is why he tells doubting Thomas to stick his hands into his bail scars and where he had been stabbed his wound was open. If his nail scars were really open and his stab wound as he said he would be bleeding ro death.........
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Jesus used different materialized bodies to appear to his disciples. That is why they did Not at first recognize the resurrected Jesus.
Mary mistook the resurrected Jesus as a gardener.
The soldier guards saw No resurrected Jesus come out.
Jesus was Not recognized on the road - Matthew 28:8-10; Luke 24:13-43; John 21:1-23
Thus, the post-resurrection appearance was provided for doubting Thomas.
Jesus appeared to Thomas while Thomas was in a locked room as per John 20:19; John 20:26.
A physically resurrected person does Not walk through closed doors.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Studying an artifact will never prove such a shroud because as 2 Corinthians 5:7 says we walk by faith Not by sight.
This is why Jesus said his followers would worship his God with ' spirit ' and ' truth ' at John 4:23-24.
It would be a lively spirited worship based on Scripture truth and Not anything else.
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Studying it can show it to be a fraud. But the fact that the shroud of Turin is a fraud does not refute the Jesus story. Why people put so much faith in a known fraud is beyond me.
 
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Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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URAVIP2ME said:
Jesus used different materialized bodies to appear to his disciples. That is why they did Not at first recognize the resurrected Jesus.
Mary mistook the resurrected Jesus as a gardener.
The soldier guards saw No resurrected Jesus come out.
Jesus was Not recognized on the road - Matthew 28:8-10; Luke 24:13-43; John 21:1-23
Thus, the post-resurrection appearance was provided for doubting Thomas.
Jesus appeared to Thomas while Thomas was in a locked room as per John 20:19; John 20:26.
A physically resurrected person does Not walk through closed doors.
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Just more magical thinking.
 
Audie

Audie

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Kilk1 said:
But your whole case against it being the best explanation was on me, wasn't it? Does this mean we have an ad hominem fallacy fallacy fallacy? Lol.

My point is that even if I just wanted comfort in my own beliefs, the case I made could still be accurate. It all hinges on the argumentation itself, not my motives that led up to it.
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Blah blah, AND blah.
 
Audie

Audie

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Prince Mthembu said:
Pause with the beliefs now we are talking fact - the shroud remain the most studied artifact in the world as we speak.
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What nonsense. The US constitution, the Great Pyramid
and some few other things are artifacts that have gotten
far far more study.

ONE reason is they wont let anyone study the freakin' "shroud".

You ever notice that "god" is not into giving proof, yet you
are offering this as posdible proof?

If ya got proof, of what use is faith?

You guys are doing idolatry, another thing "god"
is said to, like, eschew.

If you take any of this god stuff seriously, you
may want to consider what you are doing.

And dont tell me it is not idol worship unless you
would wipe your car with it.

It is very ugly, I would burn it.
 
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whirlingmerc

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Audie said:
You find such behaviour admirable, or proof of
validity? See Heaven's Gate, for one of some several
examples of people following some cult belief unto death.
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A reason. I did not say that was the only reason. There were living eyewitnesses at the time friendly and not so friendly and they could have refuted the claims such as the viel of the temple tearing, earthquakes, sun going dark as Jesus died.

Not to mention that one would not make up a story in the fashion presented. The first witnesses would not have been women if it were made up. The apostles would not have been cast in such a bad light, hiding.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
whirlingmerc said:
A reason. I did not say that was the only reason. There were living eyewitnesses at the time friendly and not so friendly and they could have refuted the claims such as the viel of the temple tearing, earthquakes, sun going dark as Jesus died.

Not to mention that one would not make up a story in the fashion presented. The first witnesses would not have been women if it were made up. The apostles would not have been cast in such a bad light, hiding.
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That story was not written until more than a generation after it supposedly happened. Eyewitnesses would have been in short supply. In fact I do not know of any of the New Testament claims about Jesus that are eyewitness accounts.
 
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whirlingmerc

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Audie said:
What nonsense. The US constitution, the Great Pyramid
and some few other things are artifacts that have gotten
far far more study.

ONE reason is they wont let anyone study the freakin' "shroud".

You ever notice that "god" is not into giving proof, yet you
are offering this as posdible proof?

If ya got proof, of what use is faith?

You guys are doing idolatry, another thing "god"
is said to, like, eschew.

If you take any of this god stuff seriously, you
may want to consider what you are doing.

And dont tell me it is not idol worship unless you
would wipe your car with it.

It is very ugly, I would burn it.
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One would wonder who would make an image like the shroud many centuries ago. It's a negative.

While I do not look at such as a main reason to believe I would not discount it as being not meaningful. It seems unlikely to me a forger in the ancient world would create something like a photographic negative.

Your thoughts on that Audie?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
whirlingmerc said:
One would wonder who would make an image like the shroud many centuries ago. It's a negative.

While I do not look at such as a main reason to believe I would not discount it as being not meaningful. It seems unlikely to me a forger in the ancient world would create something like a photographic negative.

Your thoughts on that Audie?
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Not quite. It is similar to a negative.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
whirlingmerc said:
A reason. I did not say that was the only reason. There were living eyewitnesses at the time friendly and not so friendly and they could have refuted the claims such as the viel of the temple tearing, earthquakes, sun going dark as Jesus died.

Not to mention that one would not make up a story in the fashion presented. The first witnesses would not have been women if it were made up. The apostles would not have been cast in such a bad light, hiding.
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So you say.
So do you believe the 8 witnesses to the gold plates?
I mean, who would make up such a story, get with others
to swear before god, to a lie?

No fair just making something up, now.
 
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whirlingmerc

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Subduction Zone said:
I know, it is terribly circular reasoning.

The Harry Potter books are true because they say that they are true.
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I prefer 'Taste and see that the Lord is good!"

but the preponderance of scholars do believe Jesus died, the tomb became empty and the apostles were convinced Jesus rose
 
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