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Did Jesus say he was God???

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Revelation 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The Alpha and Omega is COMING. Who is this???

In revelation, the expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not mean that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega as it is attributed to God Almighty. Go back to Rev 1:1 where the first occurrence of Alpha and Omega is found...look at who the 'Revelation' originates with..."A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him..."
The 'revelation' was given originally by God to Jesus Christ, thats why at times is God is speaking and at other times it is Jesus. But in Vs 8, it is definitely God who is speaking because the hebrew expression El Shaddai is only ever applied to YHWH or Jehovah. El Shaddai means God Almighty.

The next occurrence is at Revelation 21:6 where the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” The ones to inherit the kingdom were to be Christs brothers...not his sons. So again here, the expression is not attributed to Christ, but to God Almighty, the Father.

Its important not to confuse the two.

So now you have TWO COMING??????? Your doctrine gets funnier everytime you post :biglaugh:

I'm not normally so sarcastic, but you have been very arrogant from the beginning. I have proven my case conclusively and still you keep reaching for straws.

Jesus Christ is the God of Revelation: :bow:

Yes, two are coming. God speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment at Isa 26:21 "For, look! Jehovah is coming forth from his place to call to account the error of the inhabitant of the land against him..."
. And at Malachi 3:1-6 he speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of himself “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he must clear up a way before me. And suddenly there will come to His temple the [true] Lord, whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant in whom YOU are delighting. Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said...."



Of course if you are reading the bible and applying the title of Almighty God to Jesus, then you would not notice the difference and you would continue to believe that the bible is really saying that Jesus is God. But seeing we must answer, not only to Jesus, but also to the Father, it is imperative that we get it right.
 
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In revelation, the expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not mean that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega as it is attributed to God Almighty. Go back to Rev 1:1 where the first occurrence of Alpha and Omega is found...look at who the 'Revelation' originates with..."A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him..."
The 'revelation' was given originally by God to Jesus Christ, thats why at times is God is speaking and at other times it is Jesus. But in Vs 8, it is definitely God who is speaking because the hebrew expression El Shaddai is only ever applied to YHWH or Jehovah. El Shaddai means God Almighty

The next occurrence is at Revelation 21:6 where the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” The ones to inherit the kingdom were to be Christs brothers...not his sons. So again here, the expression is not attributed to Christ, but to God Almighty, the Father.

Its important not to confuse the two.

Rev 22:12-13
(12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
(13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Obviously revelation 22:12-13 is talking about the same individual!


Now the individual in which it's talking about is Jesus Christ, God the Father!
Rev 22:7
(7) Behold, ***I come quickly:*** blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 3:11
(11) Behold, ***I come quickly:*** hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Hmm, It looks like this is talking about Jesus coming back to reward every man according to his work, not to just Judge as you claim the Father is going to do in the end.


Every time in revelation we see where it says, "I come quickly" It's Jesus Christ except in revelation 22:12? If its never Jesus then the whole bible is a lie. So I must contend you say revelation 22:12 is talking about God the Father not the son.

Proof Jesus is the one in revelation 22:12-12!

Rev 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, ***which is, and which was, and which is to come,*** the Almighty.

Rev 4:8
(8) And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, ***which was, and is, and is to come.***

Rev 11:17
(17) Saying, We give thee thanks, ***O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come;*** because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

The Almighty God is the Father Jesus Christ who is to come!
Act 1:10-11
(10) And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
(11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, ***shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.***
Mat_24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man be.***
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the ***Son of man coming*** in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man*** be.
Mat_24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man*** be.
Mat_24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your ***Lord doth come***.
Mat_24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think ***not the Son of man cometh***.
Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the ***Son of man cometh.***
Mat_25:31 When the ***Son of man shall come*** in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


Yes, two are coming. God speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment at Isa 26:21 "For, look! Jehovah is coming forth from his place to call to account the error of the inhabitant of the land against him..."
. And at Malachi 3:1-6 he speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of himself “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he must clear up a way before me. And suddenly there will come to His temple the [true] Lord, whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant in whom YOU are delighting. Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said....".

Joh 5:22
(22) For the ***Father judgeth no man,*** but hath committed ***all judgment unto the Son:***

Jud 1:14-15
(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(15) ***To execute judgment upon all,*** and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

2Th 1:8-10 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
(10) When*** he shall come to be glorified in his saints,*** and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

If you believe Jesus is not the Father then now you have two that Judge. Which clearly contradicts scripture. Jesus is the only one that can Judge and He judges ALL things(Jn 5:22!) In (Isa 26:21, Malachi 3:1-6) we see the Father, Judging through his son Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ judges the world at his coming
(Jud 1:14-15, 2Th 1:8-10!)
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Rev 22:12-13
(12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
(13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Obviously revelation 22:12-13 is talking about the same individual!

Now the individual in which it's talking about is Jesus Christ, God the Father!

this is the final occurrence of the alpha/omega title in the book of Revelation and there is nothing to suggest that the term is to be applied to Jesus. It is evident that a number of different persons are represented as speaking in chapter 22.
Verses 8 and 9 is the angel speaking to John "Well, I John was the one hearing and seeing these things. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel that had been showing me these things. 9 But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that

In verse 16 it is Jesus speaking “I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things

Verse 20 is John himself “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll..."

And verses 12-15 do not identify who is speaking. So it cannot be applied to Jesus because he is identified just 'after' this verse. So is most likely the same one who the title applies to in the previous chapters of revelation where God calls himself the Alpha and Omega.

Rev 22:7
(7) Behold, ***I come quickly:*** blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 3:11
(11) Behold, ***I come quickly:*** hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Hmm, It looks like this is talking about Jesus coming back to reward every man according to his work, not to just Judge as you claim the Father is going to do in the end.


Every time in revelation we see where it says, "I come quickly" It's Jesus Christ except in revelation 22:12? If its never Jesus then the whole bible is a lie. So I must contend you say revelation 22:12 is talking about God the Father not the son.

Proof Jesus is the one in revelation 22:12-12!

Jesus is the one who comes in Gods name... so he is coming quickly... but so is God who uses Jesus as his executioner.
Remember Jesus words:
John 5:30 "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge..."

Jesus is coming at Gods order. If God says he is coming quickly, then Jesus is also coming quickly because God uses Jesus to carry out his will.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You are right... Jesus never said that he was God..... Cuz God doesnt need to come down to earth n preach..... He was messanger ov God, sent down n born without the father from the Virgin Maryem (Mary). For those who say that he was Son of God cant answer the name ov his mother..... Do they really think God needs a wife n son?.....????.....God is one, no one has seen him, no one can see him, then how can he b accused ov havin a son....these wives n sons r human business. we need em, God doesnt..... Cuz he was not son ov God n the God so Jesus never claimed ov that............

Although this is true it still doesn't preclude God having other reasons to come. However the scriptures (Isaiah) imply that God couldn't find anyone to be a messenger at the time.

Jesus speaks directly, He never says "God said." He is bringing His message personally. Technically you could say that He is a messenger because He has a message.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that the term "Son of God" implies a consort of God? Obviously that implication would be incorrect.

I don't know of anyone who thinks that.

It is not an accusation. No one who states that Jesus is the Son of God is accusing God of anything that I can tell. There is no wife involved. Sons have been Gods business, since He has been known to create sons before. However this appears to be the first time that God has created a son to be Himself.

This conclusion has not been proven by the previous premises.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
John 14:10
Father is not Human father...for God's sake dont mix it with a humanly thing..... According to courtesies ov old languages, the word father means " The protector, The creator, The one who takes care ov everything".....plz dont inter-mix.....God doesnt need human sons......Plz use common sense.... Even in Pakistan, the biggest landowner is known as "Father" among the ones who serve under him.... Its common in whole world.......

This statement is true and can be proven.

You are mixing up a human father (landowner) with the Heavenly Father after asking us not to do that. Jesus is not one with an earthly human father nor could he be nor anyone else for that matter. Jesus is one with His Heavenly Father.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
God is one and there is none worthy of worship except Him. Jesus (Peace be upon him) is a messenger of God and he never claimed divinity and there is no clear statement in the Bible where he claimed divinity, all the verses that the original poster stated can be interpreted in multiple ways, why is there no clear statement in the Bible given this is such an important matter?

Eg. John 10:30 I and My Father are one - this could mean they are one in purpose, not in divinity
John 14:9 ... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father - this could mean that who has seen Jesus has seen guidance to God

All the examples given can be interpreted in other ways like this.

However there are many statements that make it clear that Jesus was not divine:

John 6:57 “I live because of the Father.”
John 12:49 “The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.”
Hebrews 2:9 “But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.”
Matt. 27:46 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?”
John 20:17 “I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.”
Rev. 3:12 “… the temple of my God… the name of my God… the city of my God… comes down out of heaven from my God.”

You should take the verses that are clear and build your understanding around those and then they will guide you through the verses that can be interpreted in multiple ways so you may get the correct meaning, with the will of God.

All the verses are clear to one who has undeerstanding.

Verses don't bring understanding of themselves. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people who lack understanding of them.

Deviant thinking can find multiple meanings in any verse.

I always get the correct meaning through the will of God.
 
Here we see God seated upon His throne, separating the sheep (v7) from the goats (v8).

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Who is this seated on the throne and judging the world???

Matthew 25:31-32
(31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats

Jesus is the God seated upon HIS THRONE, because Jesus is the ONLY GOD! :bow:
 
House of Yahweh and JW's have TWO of everything: :facepalm:

TWO KINGS
TWO FATHERS
TWO SPIRITS (actually three counting the Holy Ghost)
TWO SAVIORS
TWO CREATORS
TWO COMING
TWO JUDGES
TWO REWARDERS
TWO FIRST AND LASTS
TWO BEGINNING AND ENDS
TWO G/gods
TWO Lords
TWO MAKERS
TWO LIFE-GIVERS
TWO HOLY ONES, yes, TWO HOLY *** ONES *** :biglaugh:
TWO THRONES
TWO SEATED ON THE THRONES
TWO MIGHTY GODS (Ps 50:1, Is 9:6)
TWO ALMIGHTIES (Col 2:10) FYI, I am COMPLETE IN JESUS, why do I need another?
TWO THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD

This is polytheism, paganism, and anti-scriptural. :yes:

I am a true monotheist, I believe in ONE of all the above. I worship Jesus! :bow:
 
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House of Yahweh and JW's have TWO of everything: :facepalm:

TWO KINGS
TWO FATHERS
TWO SPIRITS (actually three counting the Holy Ghost)
TWO SAVIORS
TWO CREATORS
TWO COMING
TWO JUDGES
TWO REWARDERS
TWO FIRST AND LASTS
TWO BEGINNING AND ENDS
TWO G/gods
TWO Lords
TWO MAKERS
TWO LIFE-GIVERS
TWO HOLY ONES, yes, TWO HOLY *** ONES *** :biglaugh:
TWO THRONES
TWO SEATED ON THE THRONES
TWO MIGHTY GODS (Ps 50:1, Is 9:6)
TWO ALMIGHTIES (Col 2:10) FYI, I am COMPLETE IN JESUS, why do I need another?
TWO THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD

This is polytheism, paganism, and anti-scriptural. :yes:

I am a true monotheist, I believe in ONE of all the above. I worship Jesus! :bow:

The Bible teaches there is ONLY ONE Creator: Is 44:24, 45:18
The Bible teaches there is only ONE Savior: Hos 13:4
The Bible teaches there is only ONE King: Ez 37:23, Is 43:15, Zech 9:9
The Bible teaches there is only ONE HOLY ONE: Is 43:15

It did not take two or three to raise Jesus from the dead. It does not take two to create the world. It does not take two to have God in heaven and on the earth in human flesh as the Saviour at the same time. It does not take two to come, to judge, to reward, to rule, etc. It does not take TWO to make ONE HOLY ONE. It only takes ONE. God did it all by himself:

Isaiah 44:24
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself

Isaiah 43:15
(15) I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Hosea 13:4
(4) Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Either Jesus was an impostor, a counterfeit, and a deceiver, because He (and the NT writers) attributed all these titles to JESUS, or He was the God of Isaiah and Hosea. Worship HIM! :bow:
 
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Many Sages One Truth

Active Member
Did Jesus say he was God? No, not according to the flesh, he was the son of man. However, what was within Jesus, yes, that was God.

2 Corinthians 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not counting people's sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
 

Shermana

Heretic
All the verses are clear to one who has undeerstanding.

Verses don't bring understanding of themselves. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people who lack understanding of them.

Deviant thinking can find multiple meanings in any verse.

I always get the correct meaning through the will of God.

Be careful about using "I am right because the Will of God is with me" as a way of trying to argue against someone's opinions without actually debating the details, it might just be a sin.....
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Here we see God seated upon His throne, separating the sheep (v7) from the goats (v8).

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Who is this seated on the throne and judging the world???

I would direct your attention to Revelation 4 for the answer.

Rev 4:2 After these things I immediately came to be in [the power of the] spirit: and, look! a throne was in its position in heaven, and there is one seated upon the throne....4 And round about the throne [there are] twenty-four thrones, and upon these thrones [I saw] seated twenty-four elders...6 And before the throne there is, as it were, a glassy sea like crystal. And in the midst of the throne and around the throne [there are] four living creatures ...9 And whenever the living creatures offer glory and honor and thanksgiving to the one seated upon the throne, the one that lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated upon the throne and worship the One that lives forever and ever...
5 And I saw in the right hand of the One seated upon the throne a scroll written within and on the reverse side, sealed tight with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to open the scroll and loose its seals?” 3 But neither in heaven nor upon earth nor underneath the earth was there a single one able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 And I gave way to a great deal of weeping because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5 But one of the elders says to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb ... 7 And he went and at once took [it] out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense, and the [incense] means the prayers of the holy ones. 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

Do you see that the one seated on the throne cannot be Jesus Christ? Jesus is the one who comes and takes the scroll from the one seated on the throne. So the one seated on the throne is the Father, God Almighty. Jesus is the Lamb of God who stands in the midst of the throne, but is not the one seated on the throne.

Jesus is not God. You should start believing the scriptures and stop believing the lie.
 
I would direct your attention to Revelation 4 for the answer.

Rev 4:2 After these things I immediately came to be in [the power of the] spirit: and, look! a throne was in its position in heaven, and there is one seated upon the throne....4 And round about the throne [there are] twenty-four thrones, and upon these thrones [I saw] seated twenty-four elders...6 And before the throne there is, as it were, a glassy sea like crystal. And in the midst of the throne and around the throne [there are] four living creatures ...9 And whenever the living creatures offer glory and honor and thanksgiving to the one seated upon the throne, the one that lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated upon the throne and worship the One that lives forever and ever...
5 And I saw in the right hand of the One seated upon the throne a scroll written within and on the reverse side, sealed tight with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to open the scroll and loose its seals?” 3 But neither in heaven nor upon earth nor underneath the earth was there a single one able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 And I gave way to a great deal of weeping because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5 But one of the elders says to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb ... 7 And he went and at once took [it] out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense, and the [incense] means the prayers of the holy ones. 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

Do you see that the one seated on the throne cannot be Jesus Christ? Jesus is the one who comes and takes the scroll from the one seated on the throne. So the one seated on the throne is the Father, God Almighty. Jesus is the Lamb of God who stands in the midst of the throne, but is not the one seated on the throne.

Jesus is not God. You should start believing the scriptures and stop believing the lie.

Actually you're wrong again!

There is one throne in heaven, God AND the Lamb are in it. Rev 22:1, 22:3. When John tells us who is in the throne, He doesn't say "THEY," he says HE.

And *** he ***that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (Revelation 21:5)

John understood that God and the Lamb are one and the same. And to be true to the context of the book, how can the omnipresent God be contained in a throne?(Psa 139:7-8 Joh 3:13)

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

When we see Jesus taking the scroll, the Bible tells us He was worthy because he was slain. There are not two beings here. This is a beautiful symbol of the lamb that was slain -- THE MAN CHRIST JESUS -- being the only one worthy to fulfill the plan of God.

When we get to heaven, we will not see God and Jesus as two. God is invisible and omnipresent. But Jesus is the image of the invisible God and IN HIM dwells all the fullness of God. We will see the lamb seated on the throne.(Col 2:9-10 Rev 22:1, 22:3.)

Matthew 25:31-32
(31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, ***then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:***
(32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats


Isa 42:8
(8) I am the LORD: that is my name: and ***my glory will I not give to another***, neither my praise to graven images.

Jesus is the Father coming in his glory and He is going to sit down on his throne of His glory!
 
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Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Actually you're wrong again!

There is one throne in heaven, God AND the Lamb are in it. Rev 22:1, 22:3. When John tells us who is in the throne, He doesn't say "THEY," he says HE.

yes, because he is talking about God. God is on his throne in heaven. Jesus is beside him.
That is also the vision that the disciple Stephen saw when he was given a vision of heaven opened up... Acts 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand."

And *** he ***that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (Revelation 21:5)

John understood that God and the Lamb are one and the same. And to be true to the context of the book, how can the omnipresent God be contained in a throne?(Psa 139:7-8 Joh 3:13)

going by that logic, if God cannot be contained on his own heavenly throne, how can he be contained in a mortal human body? We are like grains of sand...we are mere dust... how can you believe that God could be contained in such a flimsy piece of physical material???

When we get to heaven, we will not see God and Jesus as two. God is invisible and omnipresent. But Jesus is the image of the invisible God and IN HIM dwells all the fullness of God. We will see the lamb seated on the throne.(Col 2:9-10 Rev 22:1, 22:3.)

Genesis says that Adam was made in the image of God. Does that make Adam God too?
"let us make man in our image, in our likeness..."


But anyway, to save this from turning into an argument, you are free to worship Jesus as God if thats what you desire to do.
But have you considered who you will worship when Jesus hands the kingdom back to his Father?
1Cor 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. ...then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone"

Any who refuse to address their worship to the Father may not have a place in Gods arrangement. But that is your choice.
 
yes, because he is talking about God. God is on his throne in heaven. Jesus is beside him.
That is also the vision that the disciple Stephen saw when he was given a vision of heaven opened up... Acts 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand."

First off, If you are referring to God that is spirit,(Jn 4:24) we know God doesn't have a literal right hand. The right hand of God represents power, God the Father doesn't have a literal right hand( . Jesus has all power(Col 2:10) When we get to heaven we are not going to see the Lamb and God separate beings, sharing a throne(rev 22:1,3!) And God is not willing to share his glory, but he will his throne?

Matthew 25:31-32
(31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, ***then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:***
(32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats

Isa 42:8

(8) I am the LORD: that is my name: and ***my glory will I not give to another***, neither my praise to graven images.

Jesus is the Father coming in his glory and He is going to sit down on his throne of His glory!


going by that logic, if God cannot be contained on his own heavenly throne, how can he be contained in a mortal human body? We are like grains of sand...we are mere dust... how can you believe that God could be contained in such a flimsy piece of physical material???

God was manifest in Christ, but not just contained in a small body, he is everywhere!?

2Co 5:19
(19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Col 2:8-9
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the ***Godhead bodily.***

Psa 139:7-8
(7) Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
(8) If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the ***Son of man which is in heaven.***


Genesis says that Adam was made in the image of God. Does that make Adam God too?
"let us make man in our image, in our likeness..."

Adam was not the image of God, but was ***MADE** in God's image(Jesus Christ!)
 
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Q. How many Holy Ones does it take to make One Holy One?!

A. House of Yahweh and JW's say TWO! :slap:

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Were all the Elders not seated on thrones of glory?

Once again, The word "Godhead" means "godhood".


Where does the bible say they are seated on thrones of GLORY?


Godhead means deity!

πᾶν πλήρωμα θεότητοςκατοικεῖ σωματικῶς.

θεότητος, or theotés means deity!

2320. ?????? (theotés) -- deity
 

Shermana

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Where does the bible say they are seated on thrones of GLORY?


Godhead means deity!

πᾶν πλήρωμα θεότητοςκατοικεῖ σωματικῶς.

θεότητος, or theotés means deity!

2320. ?????? (theotés) -- deity

It means "Deity" in the Qualitative sense, not in the Direct Nominative as in an entity.

de·i·ty

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–noun, plural -ties. 1. a god or goddess.

2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.

3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.


From your own link: The word "Belonging" clearly indicates a quality.

2320 /theótēs ("fullness of deity") expresses God's "essential (personal) deity, as belonging to Christ" (WS, 906). 2320 (theótēs) focuses on Christ physically embodying the Godhead through His incarnation and shown throughout His perfect life of faith (cf. Heb 12:2).
 
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