Did Jesus say he was God???

[Shermana]

I guess Eusebius had some uncanny hatred for the word of God since he quoted it 20x and only used the same formula found every other time "In my name". I assume you don't even know there are interpolations? It doesn't matter if you have 20 translations that all say it, the orignial is what matters. There are 20 translations that translate John 1:1 as "And the word as God" when it really is supposed to say "And a god was the word" but only a few translations have that. Majority translation may = correct to you, but not to scholars. These modern translations are modern translations. For example, many of them include the ending of Mark and the Pericope Adulterae, but that doesn't mean they were originally in the writ.

Constantine Wrote Matthew 28:19 Into Your Bible!

FYI, the Catholic Church changed the formula but not the Word of God.

Hold on here, you ADMIT that the Catholic Church "changed the formula", so if they didn't change the word, are you saying that when they "changed the formula" that it was meant to be a correct change in the Word? I think you're subtley admitting that Matthew 28:19 does contain an interpolation (evidenced by the interpolations in Ignatius' epistle of repeating 28:19), but why do you say they didn't change the word? How does that work?

Not to mention the writers of Acts who only ever mentions the Disciples baptizing in Jesus' name. Quite odd.

I highly recommend you stop accusing people of having a hatred of the word of God just because they do not accept the KJV as is or your translation and interpretation of it.

I find it interesting that the Book of Revelation has so many variants and interpolations. Quite obviously, the KJV who added the spurious Alpha and Omega (and the MSS from the 10th century on) in 1:11 is under the curse of 22:18-19.

 

[waitasec]

someone ate some really potent mushrooms when writing this_______________(fill in the blank....)

it doesn't makes sense to me...not at all.

1st john says he meets an angel
2nd the angel says i am a fellow servant with john
3rd the fellow servant says "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy '
4th the fellow servant says i am the alpha and the omega...
did they have acid those days?
:sarcastic


revelation 22:8

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

Epilogue: Invitation and Warning

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

 

[Shermana]

The word "Angel", as you understand, means nothing more than "Messenger/one who is sent to act/speak for".

Even verse 12-13 is spoken by an "Angel" (messenger) who is relating the message from the one on the throne.

If I said "I have a message from the King: I am the mighty King, I hate you and I'm going to have you beheaded", do you assume that I'm the King with the power to axe you or just relaying what the King says?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

We don't care who is writing, there is no dispute there.

Nor am I making a big deal about who's doing the writing..

I'm breaking it down to give a picture of who is who in those chapters. Nothing more, nothing less.

The issue is who is speaking or being quoted if you prefer, in Rev 21:5-7.

There is no issue with 21:5-7. ("He that sat upon the throne") is "God", not Yeshua, not the angel(s) or the elders. We know this because of chapter 4 and 5.

Rev 4:2-3
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Verses 4:4-8 describe the elders who sat upon their thrones (seats) and the other creatures that were around the throne giving praise to their god. We know this because verse 8 says the following.

Rev 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

This is in reference to "God" alone. At this point Yeshua ("the lamb") is still standing in the midst of the 24 elders.

Verse 8 says 'holy is God which was and is and is to come'. This is very important because it correlates to chapter 22:8-15 where the angel is talking to John. Verse 12 and 13 are not the words of the angel rather it is the angel quoting "God"...to John. We know this because verse 14 the angel says "his commandments". This is talking about "God". Verse 16 is when Yeshua starts to speak to inform John that he sent the angel to bring this message to John.

Rev 22:16 (in part)
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.....

In the context, Rev 22:12 shows us this is Jesus. Jesus is the one coming with his reward. This is established by the context of the entire word of God

No it's not because 22:8 is the angel talking. John goes to bow down to him and is told not to do that. He continues to deliver the message to John and in verse 16 Yeshua confirms that, that is what he sent the angel to do.

This proves that Jesus is the one speaking in Rev 21:5-7. Which proves that Jesus is the one seated on the throne (v5) and that Jesus is GOD.

Wrong because chapters 4 and 5 dispute your understanding of context here. "God" alone is seated upon the throne and Yeshua ("the lamb") is standing amongst the 24 elders. This is what John saw. He saw "God" seated and Yeshua standing amongst the elders. He says..I saw one sitting on the throne'....'I saw the lamb standing in the midst of the elders'.....

 

[ApostolicPeter]

Nor am I making a big deal about who's doing the writing..

I'm breaking it down to give a picture of who is who in those chapters. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no issue with 21:5-7. ("He that sat upon the throne") is "God", not Yeshua, not the angel(s) or the elders. We know this because of chapter 4 and 5.

Rev 4:2-3
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Verses 4:4-8 describe the elders who sat upon their thrones (seats) and the other creatures that were around the throne giving praise to their god. We know this because verse 8 says the following.

Rev 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

This is in reference to "God" alone. At this point Yeshua ("the lamb") is still standing in the midst of the 24 elders.

Verse 8 says 'holy is God which was and is and is to come'. This is very important because it correlates to chapter 22:8-15 where the angel is talking to John. Verse 12 and 13 are not the words of the angel rather it is the angel quoting "God"...to John. We know this because verse 14 the angel says "his commandments". This is talking about "God". Verse 16 is when Yeshua starts to speak to inform John that he sent the angel to bring this message to John.

Rev 22:16 (in part)
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.....

It is apparent that Jesus is speaking (or being quoted, it makes no matter) in this chapter. In 22:16, Jesus says, "I, Jesus." In 22:13 we know this is ALSO Jesus speaking because the one speaking says here,
"I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST"

Revelation 22:13
(13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, *** the first and the last. ***

This is the exact same claim that Jesus makes in Rev 2:8

Revelation 2:8
(8) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the *** first and the last, which was dead, and is alive ***

When was YAHWEH DEAD, and then ALIVE???

If you can show me when YAHWEH died and come back to life, I will concede the point.

If you cannot, you have been proven WRONG. JESUS was the one that was dead and is NOW ALIVE. This IS the Gospel message.

No it's not because 22:8 is the angel talking. John goes to bow down to him and is told not to do that. He continues to deliver the message to John and in verse 16 Yeshua confirms that, that is what he sent the angel to do.

Wrong because chapters 4 and 5 dispute your understanding of context here. "God" alone is seated upon the throne and Yeshua ("the lamb") is standing amongst the 24 elders. This is what John saw. He saw "God" seated and Yeshua standing amongst the elders. He says..I saw one sitting on the throne'....'I saw the lamb standing in the midst of the elders'.....

So the King doesn't get to sit in a throne??? He must stand for all eternity??? And just because He's standing in chapter 4 means He can't have a throne or be seated elsewhere???

No, you are wrong again, the throne in heaven belongs to JESUS:

Revelation 22:1-3
(1) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the *** throne of God and of the Lamb ***.
(2) In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
(3) And there shall be no more curse: but *** the throne of God and of the Lamb *** shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

This is why Rev 21:5-7 is BOTH God and Jesus speaking. The LAMB IS GOD. There is only one God in the throne: Jesus Christ.

 

[Shermana]

"I, Jesus" is the signature. It is Jesus' angel, relaying a message from Jesus' father.

So it's "I Jesus, have sent this messenger, who relates a message from the Father".

Chain of command: God > Jesus > Angel.

The word "Kai" when it says "The throne of God and the lamb" it is referring to two separate entities. While it can be confusing to recognize when Kai means "and" as in "I am President and CEO of my company" or "I sent the President and Vice-President to the meeting". But in this case it clearly refers to two separate entities and thrones. You can choose to believe it means they are one and the same as long as you accept that it's not the only way to read it. As Dirty Penguin has shown, the Elders have their own throne whilst the Lamb is standing amongst them. He has his own throne at the right hand of the Father's.

As for Jesus calling himself the First and the Last ,he is the Firstborn of all Creation, and the "Last" as the Ultimate and Final authority who is given his providence by the Father as the King of Creation (Whereas the Father is the Overseer). The Father alone however is the "Alpha and Omega".

PS What is the word "With" doing in Isaiah 41:4?

Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he

 

[ApostolicPeter]

"I, Jesus" is the signature. It is Jesus' angel, relaying a message from Jesus' father.

So it's "I Jesus, have sent this messenger, who relates a message from the Father".

Chain of command: God > Jesus > Angel.

The word "Kai" when it says "The throne of God and the lamb" it is referring to two separate entities. While it can be confusing to recognize when Kai means "and" as in "I am President and CEO of my company" or "I sent the President and Vice-President to the meeting". But in this case it clearly refers to two separate entities and thrones. You can choose to believe it means they are one and the same as long as you accept that it's not the only way to read it. As Dirty Penguin has shown, the Elders have their own throne whilst the Lamb is standing amongst them. He has his own throne at the right hand of the Father's.

As for Jesus calling himself the First and the Last ,he is the Firstborn of all Creation, and the "Last" as the Ultimate and Final authority who is given his providence by the Father as the King of Creation (Whereas the Father is the Overseer). The Father alone however is the "Alpha and Omega".

PS What is the word "With" doing in Isaiah 41:4?

So according to your theology there are TWO, YES TWO FIRSTS!!! And if that's not confusing enough, you have TWO, YES TWO LASTS!!!

And according to you, if we ran a race and you finished before me, I could claim I came in first and I could claim you came in last! :biglaugh:

Thank God for the simple Truth of God's word. Jesus Christ is GOD, the first and the last.

 

[Shermana]

So according to your theology there are TWO, YES TWO FIRSTS!!! And if that's not confusing enough, you have TWO, YES TWO LASTS!!!

And according to you, if we ran a race and you finished before me, I could claim I came in first and I could claim you came in last! :biglaugh:

Thank God for the simple Truth of God's word. Jesus Christ is GOD, the first and the last.

1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Who is this "quickening spirit?" (Life-giving)

American Standard Version
So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

 

[ApostolicPeter]

Who will deny that Jesus Christ is the one that was dead and is now alive. Who will deny that Jesus is the one speaking in Rev 22:12-13, Rev 2:8? If you do, I will show you someone who denies the Gospel message and the clear, absolute TRUTH of God's word!

Jesus Christ is the first and the Last. He is the God seated on the throne claimng to be God in Rev. 21:5-7!!! :bow:

 

[ApostolicPeter]

1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Who is this "quickening spirit?" (Life-giving)

American Standard Version
So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Unfortunately for you there is no mention of ADAM in Revelation 22:12-13. Just the first and the last, period. Same for when GOD says he is the first and the last in Revelation 21:5-7

 

[Shermana]

Unfortunately for you, you didn't answer the question of whom Paul referred to as the "Last" Adam. And as we know, he is the Firstborn of all Creation. That would defacto make him the "First" and the "Last". But the actual TITLE of "Alpha" and "Omega" is reserved for the Father.

 

[ApostolicPeter]

Unfortunately for you, you didn't answer the question of whom Paul referred to as the "Last" Adam. And as we know, he is the Firstborn of all Creation. That would defacto make him the "First" and the "Last". But the actual TITLE of "Alpha" and "Omega" is reserved for the Father.

So according to your theology there are TWO, YES TWO FIRSTS!!! And if that's not confusing enough, you have TWO, YES TWO LASTS!!!

AND IN THE SAME BOOK WE HAVE BOTH OF YOUR TWO PERSONS CLAIMING TO BE THE FIRST AND THE LAST. I SEE AN ARGUMENT BREWING IN HEAVEN. :biglaugh:

Thank God for the simple Truth of God's word. Jesus Christ is GOD, the first and the last. :bow:

 

[Shermana]

Yes, the "First and the Last" is not a title but a relative statement. As shown with Isaiah 41, the Father is also "With" the Last. You didn't answer the question of why the word "With" is used. So who is the "Last" "adam?"

However, there is only one "Alpha and Omega", that is a title. That title, as stated by Jesus' messenger, is the Father's alone.

 

[ApostolicPeter]

However, there is only one "Alpha and Omega", that is a title. That title, as stated by Jesus' messenger, is the Father's alone.

Revelation 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The Alpha and Omega is COMING. Who is this???

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

AND...

Mat_24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat_24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat_24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat_24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat_24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat_24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat_25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat_25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat_25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

So now you have TWO COMING??????? Your doctrine gets funnier everytime you post :biglaugh:

I'm not normally so sarcastic, but you have been very arrogant from the beginning. I have proven my case conclusively and still you keep reaching for straws.

Jesus Christ is the God of Revelation: :bow:

 

[Shermana]

Interestingly, the word "Erchomenos" is used every time in the "present tense...."

GNT Concordance: ????????? (erchomenos) ? 26 Occurrences

John 1:15 Ἰωάννης μαρτυρεῖ περὶ αὐτοῦ καὶ κέκραγεν λέγων· οὗτος ἦν ὃ / ὃν εἰπών / εἶπον· ὁ ὀπίσω μου ἐρχόμενος ἔμπροσθέν μου γέγονεν, ὅτι πρῶτός μου ἦν.
John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he was before me.'"


John 12:13
they took the branches of the palm trees, and went out to meet him, and cried out, "Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, the King of Israel!"

Luke 6:47 πᾶς ὁ ἐρχόμενος πρός με καὶ ἀκούων μου τῶν λόγων καὶ ποιῶν αὐτούς, ὑποδείξω ὑμῖν τίνι ἐστὶν ὅμοιος·

Everyone who comes to me, and hears my words, and does them, I will show you who he is like.

It's even used in the "Past" tense, the way one may relate a story in the Present. Like "So he turns around and says..."

Luke 15:25 ἦν δὲ ὁ υἱὸς αὐτοῦ ὁ πρεσβύτερος ἐν ἀγρῷ· καὶ ὡς ἐρχόμενος ἤγγισεν τῇ οἰκίᾳ, ἤκουσεν συμφωνίας καὶ χορῶν,
"Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: Jesus Christ is the God of Revelation

If Jesus is God then why does verse one say a revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him [Jesus]..... Jesus doesn't give the revelation to himself, rather God gives it to Jesus.

Doesn't the Jesus of Revelation [2v18] still think he [Jesus] is still the 'Son of God' ?

If Jesus is the God of Revelation then why does the heavenly resurrected Jesus still think he has a God over him at 3v12 ?

Doesn't Jesus believe he is God's first or beginning heavenly creation at Rev 3v14 B ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Revelation 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
The Alpha and Omega is COMING. Who is this???
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
AND...
Mat_24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat_24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat_24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat_24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat_24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat_24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat_24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat_25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat_25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat_25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
So now you have TWO COMING??????? Your doctrine gets funnier everytime you post :biglaugh:
I'm not normally so sarcastic, but you have been very arrogant from the beginning. I have proven my case conclusively and still you keep reaching for straws.
Jesus Christ is the God of Revelation: :bow:

The 'Almighty' is always LORD God [YHWH]

The very first verse of Revelation shows the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus. The ones speaking through an angel or an angelic representative at times is God speaking and other times is Christ speaking.

Rev. 1v8 is: God Almighty [YHWH] [tetragrammaton]

The 'he' said to 'me', and 'his God' and 'my son' at Rev [21vs6,7]
is that Jesus referred to those that would be joint-heirs with him as 'brothers' [Mt.25v40]
Jesus 'brothers' are not Jesus' sons. So the speaker is the Father of the Son/sons [sons meaning adoptive Jesus spiritual brothers. -Mt 25v40]
What does Hebrews 2vs10-12 say ?

At Isaiah [26v21] LORD God [YHWH] speaks as coming to execute adverse judgment against the wicked, and Malachi [3vs1-6] speaks of a 'joint' coming for that judgment because Jesus proves to be the 'messenger' of the covenant, or God's messenger, not God Almighty . -Isaiah 44v6.

 

[ApostolicPeter]

RE: Jesus Christ is the God of Revelation

If Jesus is God then why does verse one say a revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him [Jesus]..... Jesus doesn't give the revelation to himself, rather God gives it to Jesus.

Doesn't the Jesus of Revelation [2v18] still think he [Jesus] is still the 'Son of God' ?

If Jesus is the God of Revelation then why does the heavenly resurrected Jesus still think he has a God over him at 3v12 ?

Doesn't Jesus believe he is God's first or beginning heavenly creation at Rev 3v14 B ?

Jesus as man hungered, thirsted, wept, slept, cried, feared, suffered and died.

1 Peter 3:18
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

And as a man Jesus said, "I can do nothing of myself," My Father is greater than I", and "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me?"

Jesus as God, raised the dead, healed the sick, opened the blind eyes, and raised HIMSELF up from the dead.

John 2:19
(19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days *** I will raise it up ***.

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Acts 13:30
(30) But God raised him from the dead:

God AND Jesus raised Jesus from the dead. Did it take two??? I think not.
Jesus AS GOD raised Himself from the dead.

As God, Jesus forgave Sins:

Mark 2:5-7
(5) When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
(6) But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
(7) Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

As God He was in heaven while a man on the earth:

John 3:13
(13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, *** even the Son of man which is in heaven ***.

The man was human, but the Spirit in Him was the Father.

John 14:8-10
(8) Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
(9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(10) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: *** but the Father that dwelleth in me ***, he doeth the works.

Romans 8:9-10
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the *** Spirit of God dwell in you *** . Now if any man have not *** the Spirit of Christ ***, he is none of his.
(10) *** And if Christ be in you ***, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Paul interchangeable uses the the Spirit of God, The Spirit of Christ and even Just Christ.

Furthermore, Jesus is the Holy Ghost.

John 14:26
(26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 14:16-18
(16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *** another Comforter ***, that he may abide with you for ever;
(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(18) *** I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you ***.


"Another comforter" was another manifestation Of Jesus Christ. Jesus plainly tells them that He is the comforter. v18

And notice Jesus says the comforter will be in us v17

Who is in us?
Colossians 1:27
(27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is *** Christ in you, the hope of glory ***

Romans 8:10

(10) *** And if Christ be in you ***, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Here is Jesus fulfilling His promise to be in us:

Acts 2:4
(4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Who is in us?

Romans 8:9
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the *** Spirit of God dwell in you ***. Now if any man have not the *** Spirit of Christ, he is none of his ***.

Who?

Matthew 10:20
(20) For it is not ye that speak, but the *** Spirit of your Father *** which speaketh in you.

Now if I believed like you, I would have in me the Spirit of the Father, The Spirit of Christ, and The Holy Ghost -- that's THREE Spirits.

But the Bible teaches there is just one:

1Co_6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is *** one spirit ***.
1Co_12:13 For by *** one Spirit *** are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into *** one Spirit ***.
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by *** one Spirit *** unto the Father.
Eph_4:4 There is one body, and *** one Spirit ***, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Who is this one Spirit that is in us?

Ephesians 4:6
(6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Romans 8:9
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I am a true monothiest. House of Yahweh and Trinities are polytheists. I believe in one God, Jesus Christ.

 

[ApostolicPeter]

The 'Almighty' is always LORD God [YHWH]

Agreed, Jesus Christ:

Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus is the one coming.

Revelation 22:20
(20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The very first verse of Revelation shows the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus. The ones speaking through an angel or an angelic representative at times is God speaking and other times is Christ speaking.

There is one speaking, Jesus Christ God Almighty.

Revelation 1:11
(11) Saying, I am *** Alpha and Omega, the first and the last ***: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Jesus is the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8
(8) And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the *** first and the last, which was dead, and is alive ***

Who was it that created the all things? God Almighty.

Genesis 1:1
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Job 33:4
(4) The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Who created all things??? God Almighty, Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:15-19
(15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
(19) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

John 1:10
(10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Now I know how you polytheists operate. There were TWO creators right? The dynamic duo. WRONG:

Isaiah 44:24
(24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens *** alone ***; that spreadeth abroad the earth *** by myself ***

Now you polytheists have a problem. God says he did it by HIMSELF and ALONE. But the New Testament writers claim JESUS made ALL THINGS. Either the book is in error or you are in error. I belive the book. The Almighty God, Jesus Christ made all things.

Rev. 1v8 is: God Almighty [YHWH] [tetragrammaton]

The 'he' said to 'me', and 'his God' and 'my son' at Rev [21vs6,7]
is that Jesus referred to those that would be joint-heirs with him as 'brothers' [Mt.25v40]
Jesus 'brothers' are not Jesus' sons. So the speaker is the Father of the Son/sons [sons meaning adoptive Jesus spiritual brothers. -Mt 25v40]
What does Hebrews 2vs10-12 say ?

At Isaiah [26v21] LORD God [YHWH] speaks as coming to execute adverse judgment against the wicked, and Malachi [3vs1-6] speaks of a 'joint' coming for that judgment because Jesus proves to be the 'messenger' of the covenant, or God's messenger, not God Almighty . -Isaiah 44v6.

Agreed The LORD God Jesus Christ is coming, to judge AND to reward:

Revelation 19:11-13
(11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness *** he doth judge and make war ***
(12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called *** The Word of God ***.

Revelation 22:12-13, 20
(12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
(13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(20) He which testifieth these things saith, *** Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. ***

 

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The 'Almighty' is always LORD God [YHWH]

Rev. 1v8 is: God Almighty [YHWH] [tetragrammaton]

Hmm, the Almighty God is the Father, correct?
Rev 1:8
(8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, ***which is, and which was, and which is to come,*** the Almighty.

Rev 4:8
(8) And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, ***which was, and is, and is to come.***

Rev 11:17
(17) Saying, We give thee thanks, ***O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come;*** because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

The Almighty God is the Father Jesus Christ who is to come!
Act 1:10-11
(10) And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
(11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, ***shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.***
Mat_24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man be.***
Mat_24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the ***Son of man coming*** in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man*** be.
Mat_24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the ***coming of the Son of man*** be.
Mat_24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your ***Lord doth come***.
Mat_24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think ***not the Son of man cometh***.
Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the ***Son of man cometh.***
Mat_25:31 When the ***Son of man shall come*** in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Yep, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God!



The Lord God Almighty is King of his saints.
Rev 15:3
(3) And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, ***thou King of saints.***


Who is King of the saints?
Rev 17:14
(14) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is ***Lord of lords, and King of kings:*** and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Joh 19:19
(19) And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE ***KING OF THE JEWS.***

Mat 27:37
(37) And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS ***THE KING OF THE JEWS.***

1Ti 6:14-15
(14) That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(15) Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the ***King of kings, and Lord of lords;***

2Th 1:8-10
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
(10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Jesus Christ, the Almighty God the everlasting Father, is the King of the saints!



Destruction is from the Almighty God!
Joe 1:15
(15) Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.


Destruction from Jesus in the last day!
2Th 1:7-9
(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the ***Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,***
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who ***shall be punished with everlasting destruction*** from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Jesus Christ, God Almighty is going to be doing the destruction when He comes back!




Who says he will be a father to us and we will be his sons and daughters? God Almighty!
2Co 6:17-18
(17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
(18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be ***my sons and daughters,*** saith the Lord Almighty.

Rev 21:6-7
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, ***and he shall be my son.***

We know this is Jesus, God the Father proven by ApostolicPeter, and Jesus gives us the water of life freely.(Jn 4:14 Rev 21:1, 22,16 17)

So here we can see we will be the sons of Jesus Christ, God Almighty!


Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father, God Almighty!:bow: