the works of the earliest Christians, from the description of yourself, you really should believe in Sola Scriptura, i.e., Only the Bible, and the Bible is the ultimate authority in all things. Soli Deo Gloria! For the Glory of God Alone - the Five Solas of the Reformation
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Did Jesus say he was God???
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the works of the earliest Christians, from the description of yourself, you really should believe in Sola Scriptura, i.e., Only the Bible, and the Bible is the ultimate authority in all things. Soli Deo Gloria! For the Glory of God Alone - the Five Solas of the Reformation
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
lol That website is not the greatest argument I have seen.
Firstborner
Active Member
The big problem I have with Sola Scriptura is that the Bible itself refutes it! I believe wholeheartedly in the inspiration of the Bible, which is why I can not believe it is the sole medium for God to speak with us.
I would like to add though that I consider scripture the SAFEST medium, but that is another issue.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Has anyone read all 3,686 posts?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Sure I did. He thought Matthew 28:19 and 1John 5:7 were genuine verses from your bible. He thought so as much to use them to back his claim and yet he was sorely ill-informed. I corrected that for him. Going forward he should now have enough information not to use those ever again.
You can "believe" whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong...
.... You have failed to present ANY evidence the biblical Yeshua said he was "God" or even taught his followers such.Sure it is and I've used your scriptures to do it. The fact that you don't agree means nothing to me. You asked "Did Jesus say he was God???".......and I've shown you and other trinitarians here that he did not. What else is there for you to argue other than more scriptural speculation and circular reasoning?.....
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I hope not.....The arguments are circular and have been for centuries now.
javajo
Well-Known Member
I don't know if anyone has provided conclusive evidence here or not. From my studies, for me the evidence is overwhelming when I examine the scripture. But for others, I don't know if they just refuse to believe or are even honestly studying the Bible to see what it says about Jesus in both the Old and New Testaments or what. I am amazed that people don't see it if they have honestly and openly made an attempt to seek the truth. I guess that's just me. I know many people laugh at and mock the Bible and people who believe it. Many believe they know so much more than others. I guess that's why God in his great wisdom chose the foolishness of preaching to confound the 'wise'. To each his own, I suppose.
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1
Shermana
Heretic
Just because it's conclusive for you doesn't mean that your view is correct or accepts all the facts as they are.
For example, the word "My Lord" applies to more than just the LORD. Christ is the Earthly king, even to his Grandfather David, so he is called "My Lord" just like how David is called "My Lord" by his subjects.
This verse if anything cements Philo's "Logos Theology" which John's readers were well acquainted with.
For example, the word "My Lord" applies to more than just the LORD. Christ is the Earthly king, even to his Grandfather David, so he is called "My Lord" just like how David is called "My Lord" by his subjects.
This verse if anything cements Philo's "Logos Theology" which John's readers were well acquainted with.
Not just Lord but two [2] LORD's/Lord's are mentioned at Psalm 110v1.
The LORD in all upper case letters is where the tetragrammaton [YHWH] stood.
Whereas, Lord in some lower case letters stand for Christ Jesus.
Jacksnyte
Reverend
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think that is a judgment call on those who do not see it as you do.
why do you think they are not being honest? if they are not being honest, are they lying?
i consider the historicity of the bible in it's context.
there was another thread that asked the question, why did jesus come at a particular time in history? which i think is a valid and excellent question.
judaism changed when the temple was destroyed.. matthew you find jesus being very hard on the pharisees....because they were the ones who were rejecting the jesus movement after the destruction of the temple...
and there were many other messiahs around the same period.
jesus couldn't say he was god because he would have been killed for saying it...and ultimately he was because of what he represented. it's no secret that a revolt was looming around the time the gospels were written.
history doesn't lie.
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JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Christianity as a whole keeps getting bigger and bigger with different ideas and beliefs. And so many of them are not even close to orthodoxy and so new age, though claim to be original
Ah, Soli Deo Gloria! For the Glory of God Alone - the Five Solas of the Reformation now what would be the problem with it? It is just a statement of fact as far as conservative Protestants are concerned. You might tell what you find that is in error with this? Roman Catholic Tradition
You could very well disagree with the importance of Sola Scriptura, but it is hard to deny the arguments given by Protestants for it. But of course I do recognize the RCC does have arguments against it. But then, that's why there are Protestants and Catholics.:sad4:
Perhaps I would get back to the original thread , and just point out this really short description from the American Tract Dictionary of 1859
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javajo
Well-Known Member
I know it is not easy to believe in Christ, in a man who lived and died 2,000 years ago and trust him for your eternal destiny and all. I do understand that. I think since I see it so clearly for myself though, that I still wonder why others who have honestly and diligently studied these things don't believe. Its just me, I'll get over it. I believe Jesus was crucified because he claimed to be God.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
I started reading the silly article on RC Tradition, then realized I was wasting precious time. Its so full of biased bs that its hilarious.